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Searching for the numinous. Co-purveyor of https://quantum.country/ 

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    1. mempko‏ @mempko Aug 14
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      Replying to @ID_AA_Carmack @ClimateBen @ChristerEricson

      One area where there isn't enough research is how it's going to affect our farming. Interiors of countries warm 2x faster than global average. So 1.5C is 3C where crops are grown. Wheat declines 6% per degree. Note we are on track for a 4-5C world.https://www.pnas.org/content/114/35/9326 …

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    2. John Carmack‏Verified account @ID_AA_Carmack Aug 14
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      Replying to @mempko @ClimateBen @ChristerEricson

      Those are analytic model results. In reality, temperature has already gone up, yet so have our crop yields (for unrelated reasons). CO2 also has positive effects to consider for ag, although I have read reports downplaying the win.

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    3. Margot Paez‏ @vansgirl12 Aug 16
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      Replying to @ID_AA_Carmack @mempko and

      I highly recommend watching this documentary on how groundwater is not being replenished fast enough for our needs. Whatever positive effects you claim, I argue it's only temporary.https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RjsThobgq7Q …

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    4. John Carmack‏Verified account @ID_AA_Carmack Aug 16
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      Replying to @vansgirl12 @mempko and

      I know many people will roll their eyes and scoff or become indignant, but it does look to me like market forces are the best way to deal with water allocation -- many ag choices are predicated on "free" water, and can be changed when given a cost signal.

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    5. mempko‏ @mempko Aug 16
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      Markets are one way to allocate scarce resources. They work by allocating resources to those that are not just willing but also able to pay. For example, if a rich person has 3 cats and a poor person has 3 children. If milk is scarce, the market will allocate the milk to the cats

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    6. Margot Paez‏ @vansgirl12 Aug 16
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      Replying to @mempko @ID_AA_Carmack and

      This idea that we can just solve this with desalination or "markets" only furthers the reality that we are willing to use up all resources until nothing is left and that's the mentality that has gotten us in this mess right now. This is not the solution.

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    7. John Carmack‏Verified account @ID_AA_Carmack Aug 16
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      Replying to @vansgirl12 @mempko and

      It isn't being "used up" -- we have unbelievable amounts of energy than can be tapped, and water isn't destroyed by use. A convenient storehouse may be depleted, and we might regret that, but there are many paths forward. "Settle for less" is backwards.

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    8. Margot Paez‏ @vansgirl12 Aug 16
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      Replying to @ID_AA_Carmack @mempko and

      John, please take this in the nicest way possible when I say you don't have a clue of what you are talking about. I may be a new PhD researcher in water resources management, but I know enough at this point to know your understanding is incorrect.

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    9. John Carmack‏Verified account @ID_AA_Carmack Aug 16
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      Replying to @vansgirl12 @mempko @ClimateBen

      OK, educate me! Given energy, we can desalinate ocean water or condense water out of the air. That is not cost effective versus just drilling a hole in ground in most (but not all) areas, but it puts a floor on the possible catastrophic losses and makes it an economic decision.

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    10. Maxime Chevalier-Boisvert‏ @Love2Code Aug 16
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      Replying to @ID_AA_Carmack @vansgirl12 and

      AFAIK you're quite correct. Australia already has many desalination plants to produce potable water. They are already successfully using technology to address this problem (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Seawater_desalination_in_Australia …). Many said plants run on renewable energy too.

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      michael_nielsen‏ @michael_nielsen Aug 16
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      Replying to @Love2Code @ID_AA_Carmack and

      A few more tidbits from my understanding: the energy cost isn't killer (I've read 3kW hrs / cubic meter, for reverse osmosis, i.e., order < a dollar). But I've been told that what to do with the salt actually is a real problem. I don't know if this true.

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        2. michael_nielsen‏ @michael_nielsen Aug 16
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          Replying to @michael_nielsen @Love2Code and

          Incidentally, Kuwait has run ~100% on desalination for several decades. This also suggests it is feasible at large scale. Not necessarily desirable - I don't know about side effects (Iike the cost of salt storage). But I'd be interested to hear details from ppl who know more...

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        3. dmoti‏ @the_dmoti Aug 16
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          Replying to @michael_nielsen @Love2Code and

          https://www.scientificamerican.com/article/israel-proves-the-desalination-era-is-here/ … There was a government bid here in Israel, to find what to do with a really big stockpile of salt, I thought about it for several days, It's a real problem, didn't came up with a solution

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        1. Maxime Chevalier-Boisvert‏ @Love2Code Aug 17
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          Replying to @michael_nielsen @ID_AA_Carmack and

          I guess the issue here is that wherever you dump your salt, the local wildlife won't be happy. Ideally, you would have to gradually dissolve it back in the same stream where you took the water, which would also cost a bit more energy.

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