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    1. michael_nielsen‏ @michael_nielsen Jun 27
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      That is, over time, more & more of the objects & systems in our world are having a software layer added. We no longer directly control them; rather their behaviour is mediated. This gives us extra capabilities, but also means a loss of control, ceding it to the software layer

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    2. michael_nielsen‏ @michael_nielsen Jun 27
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      You know the story: books are becoming mediated by a software layer. Cars are being mediated by a software layer. Home appliances. Even our bodies.

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    3. michael_nielsen‏ @michael_nielsen Jun 27
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      So too at a higher level, the systems that run our world: housing, transit, conversation (hi @jack! ), democracy, and almost every other human system.

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    4. michael_nielsen‏ @michael_nielsen Jun 27
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      Eventually it seems likely that everything from the tiniest objects to the largest systems will be mediated by a complex ecology of software.

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    5. michael_nielsen‏ @michael_nielsen Jun 27
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      What @doctorow pointed out is that that mediation layer is an absolute, full-on battleground. It's a battleground of all the governments of the world. Companies. Not-for-profits. Activists. Black-hat hackers. White-hat hackers. Etcetera etcetera etcetera.pic.twitter.com/jB4qafkxho

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    6. michael_nielsen‏ @michael_nielsen Jun 27
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      Over time, invisible to most users, that battle is becoming fiercer & fiercer & fiercer, as the stakes rise & rise.

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    7. michael_nielsen‏ @michael_nielsen Jun 27
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      And because this mediation layer increasingly runs our lives, it has many of the characteristics of both law and infrastructure. But it's law and infrastructure subject to an increasingly fierce, ongoing, invisible battle by a multitude of interests.

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    8. michael_nielsen‏ @michael_nielsen Jun 27
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      We'll all be subject to the outcomes of that battle in unexpected ways, ways that will be profound, sometimes big and obvious, sometimes very hard to detect until after the fact https://twitter.com/rdonoghue/status/1144011630197522432 …pic.twitter.com/HeJL3Ctmm9

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    9. michael_nielsen‏ @michael_nielsen Jun 27
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      Anyways, I think often of that mediation layer now, and the battle for control, and wonder how it will turn out, and how the outcome can be influenced.

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    10. michael_nielsen‏ @michael_nielsen Jun 27
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      It seems likely that figuring out the principles & protocols of governance for this mediation layer will be one of the great challenges of the 21st century, a challenge much like figuring out the principles underlying, say, the US constitution.

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      michael_nielsen‏ @michael_nielsen Jun 27
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      Encouragingly, it seems like wisdom & deep thought can make a big difference. Ideas like freedom of speech, separation of powers, & religious freedom aren't obvious; they were invented by brilliant, humane people. I wonder what similar depth of thought can help achieve today?

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        2. zooko‏ @zooko Jun 29
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          zooko Retweeted zooko

          Lovely thread. Thank you! It clarified my thoughts on these topics and I'll return to it again and again. Like this:https://twitter.com/zooko/status/1145001412918730758 …

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          zooko @zooko
          “Trump officials weigh encryption crackdown”—https://politi.co/2NkpsSO  via @politico And read this little thread by Michael Nielsen to see how important this political battle is to the life your children will have: https://twitter.com/michael_nielsen/status/1144445213554798593 …
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        3. michael_nielsen‏ @michael_nielsen Jun 29
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          Thank you zooko!

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        2. arrGH‏ @ghweb20 Jun 27
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          Onteresting thread. I fear that wisdom can be readily bypassed as the US Constitution's right to bear arms is interpreted as everyone should carry assault rifles - an unacceptable position for most other countries.

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        3. michael_nielsen‏ @michael_nielsen Jun 27
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          Considering what they had to work with, the US Constitution & Bill of Rights was a work of genius. Not getting everything right (for whatever aspects you don't like) != not an amazing increment on prior governance systems.

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        2. Schnitzel  🐈 aka Dmitriy Mandel‏ @mndl_nyc Jun 28
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          One concept built into this "mediation layer" is optimization. This is even more explicit now than in 2012. In AI, UX or risk mgmt, it's the same central idea. Our optimization tools are great. The problem is ANY powerful enuf application drags them outside the training domain.

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        3. Schnitzel  🐈 aka Dmitriy Mandel‏ @mndl_nyc Jun 28
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          Schnitzel  🐈 aka Dmitriy Mandel Retweeted Tyler Glaiel

          Here's a thread describes this phenomenon better than I could. In the last year I've come to see it as a broad social issue.https://twitter.com/TylerGlaiel/status/953845127281197058 …

          Schnitzel  🐈 aka Dmitriy Mandel added,

          Tyler GlaielVerified account @TylerGlaiel
          Almost 10 years ago I had a prototype where I played around with using a simple genetic algorithm to breed enemies that would be good against whatever play style you chose. The fitness function in it was just how long they could stay alive against you
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        1. Alejandro Echeverria‏ @aaecheve Jun 27
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          Something important that I think helped the invention of these ideas was the ability to run "independent experiments": different countries could try different political systems. We need more "independent experiments" to try different principles for software systems.

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        1. Robin Berjon‏ @robinberjon Jun 28
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          Yes, much of this we deal with through nascent data rights (often just called privacy, but they also have huge impacts in inter-company relations). The conceptual tools we have to work with control over non-excludable goods are limited and in need of invention.

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        2. Bec‏ @beccanalia Jun 28
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          @threadreaderapp unroll

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        3. Thread Reader App‏ @threadreaderapp Jun 28
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          Hello please find the unroll here: Thread by @michael_nielsen: "In 2012 I participated in a small group discussion led by @doctorow. I chanced into it, but he painted a picture I've th […]" https://threadreaderapp.com/thread/1144445213554798593.html … Enjoy :) 🤖

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