I agree we're many decades out from earnestly colonizing Mars. We'll have to get much wealthier, where "wealth" = new innovations in human wellbeing *and* reduced scarcity of those we have. But: the light bulb is <150 years old. There are people alive today born before penicillinhttps://twitter.com/KevinSimler/status/1142923685809938432 …
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Replying to @webdevMason
This is a project that is exactly as many decades away as we want it to be.
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Replying to @DavidDeutschOxf @webdevMason
When/how would living on Mars ever be anything but a net drain on energy/money from Earth? Mars isn't full of energy sources, because it hasn't had life forms that spent hundreds of millions of years capturing and storing the Sun's energy.
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Replying to @stuartbuck1 @webdevMason
Mars has no knowledge sources. Yet. Knowledge/wealth/civilisation aren't produced by energy sources, but vice versa.
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Replying to @DavidDeutschOxf @webdevMason
Seems mutual. It took knowledge to exploit coal, oil, etc., but greater energy usage created an explosion of wealth/knowledge (I.e., people could specialize in knowledge rather than having to farm/hunt by hand, which is energy-inefficient.)
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Easy low gravity is an absolutely gigantic benefit for Mars, the Moon, and space in general. The challenges of living there will (a) cost a huge amount in the short term; and (b) produce trillion dollar industries over the long term.
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Do I know this to be true? No. But that's why it's exploration, not betting on certainties. Unknown unknowns dominate. My guess is that betting on Mars is a 100x bet... with a significant probability of 0x outcome.
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Just one example: think about the challenges for chemists & synthetic biologies & materials scientists on Mars. They're going to be asked - indeed it will be imperative - to solve a whole lot of problems they would never have been asked to solve on Earth.
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This isn't exactly the broken windows fallacy, but perhaps a sibling to it? :) I.e., "let's spend immeasurable energy/money/time going somewhere that is near-infinitely more hostile to human existence than earth, but the benefit is that people will be forced to innovate."
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No. In regard to space in general, ambient hard vacuum and zero G (to name just two things) are... it's like sitting on top of an utterly immense oil field.
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I'm thinking of the downsides -- the need to spend enormous time/energy/money on an artificial atmosphere/ecosystem, and the fact that humans didn't evolve to be in zero-G settings long-term. What are the upsides?
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I guess naysayers spoke up when our ancestors left The Great Rift Valley. “The Frozen North?! Where we’ll need layers of artificial clothes and some kind of artificial atmosphere powered by fire?! We didn’t evolve for that. What are the upsides?” Or the ~1 million BC equivalent).
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