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    1. David Deutsch‏ @DavidDeutschOxf Jun 18
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      David Deutsch Retweeted Matjaž Leonardis

      Alas. Framing human decisions as responses to incentives is another harmful effect of utilitarianism, Bayesianism and utility theory in economics.https://twitter.com/MatjazLeonardis/status/1141070593149853696 …

      David Deutsch added,

      Matjaž Leonardis @MatjazLeonardis
      People used to want; value; desire. Now they ‘respond’ to ‘incentives’.
      16 replies 26 retweets 109 likes
      michael_nielsen‏ @michael_nielsen Jun 20
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      Replying to @DavidDeutschOxf

      Human decisions often really are responses to incentives (sometimes mainly, sometimes in part). But having that as the _only_ way of thinking about them is a terrible model.

      6:25 PM - 20 Jun 2019
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        2. michael_nielsen‏ @michael_nielsen Jun 20
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          Replying to @michael_nielsen @DavidDeutschOxf

          I once had a conversation with an economist who was extremely puzzled about why people "volunteered free labor" to write Wikipedia articles. She had a lot to say about the costs, and wanted to think about reputational benefits etc.

          1 reply 1 retweet 4 likes
        3. michael_nielsen‏ @michael_nielsen Jun 20
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          Replying to @michael_nielsen @DavidDeutschOxf

          I asked why she thought people played soccer in the park on the weekend, "volunteering free labor" to do so. And she started to talk about reputational benefits from friends watching etc. I proposed that maybe it might be "fun", but this was not considered plausible...

          4 replies 4 retweets 19 likes
        4. michael_nielsen‏ @michael_nielsen Jun 20
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          Replying to @michael_nielsen @DavidDeutschOxf

          I wrote the above with a little snark, which I really don't like in myself. But that was one immensely frustrating conversation.

          2 replies 0 retweets 9 likes
        5. michael_nielsen‏ @michael_nielsen Jun 20
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          Replying to @michael_nielsen @DavidDeutschOxf

          It was a person who, AFAICT, could no longer even see non-incentive based behaviours, at least in some spheres. My idea that some people wrote Wikipedia because it was such enormous fun was simply dismissed as totally implausible. Grr.

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        6. michael_nielsen‏ @michael_nielsen Jun 20
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          Replying to @michael_nielsen @DavidDeutschOxf

          (Add the caveat that it was a rapid-fire conversation, after a talk, which means I may well have misunderstood, we may have been talking past one another, etc. But I don't think so. And certainly there do seem to be people whose main model is people responding to incentives...)

          2 replies 0 retweets 1 like
        7. michael_nielsen‏ @michael_nielsen Jun 20
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          Replying to @michael_nielsen @DavidDeutschOxf

          Related annoyance: human decisions interpreted universally as attempts to "signal" or "gain status". Yeah, definitely can play a role, sometimes large, sometimes small. But as a universal theory of behaviour, yikes!

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        2. Ruben Kogel‏ @chilicondata Jun 20
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          Replying to @michael_nielsen @DavidDeutschOxf

          cue physicists telling economists they know nothing about human behavior under constraints.

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        3. michael_nielsen‏ @michael_nielsen Jun 20
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