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    michael_nielsen‏ @michael_nielsen Apr 9

    Most scientific & mathematical disciplines I know of have results that educated outsiders can appreciate and go "wow" after a brief acquaintance, even without understanding the details. Does anyone know of such a result for category theory?

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      2. michael_nielsen‏ @michael_nielsen Apr 9

        Note the word "brief" here. This request is easily fulfilled for fields ranging from linguistics to algebraic geometry to general relativity to molecular biology. Curious if there is such a result for category theory.

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      3. michael_nielsen‏ @michael_nielsen Apr 9

        Eg general relativity: gravitational lensing, the existence of black holes, the fact the planets are really going in "straight lines" (geodesics) around the sun, in the right geometry... each has a great 2-minute explanation. (And dozens of other phenomena, too.)

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      4. michael_nielsen‏ @michael_nielsen Apr 9

        The one thing I know of that sort of fits - the definition of the tensor product of modules in terms of a universal mapping principle is clearly inspired by category-theoretic ideas (and is very nice). But not a big "wow", & needs quite a bit of background to be "brief"

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      5. michael_nielsen‏ @michael_nielsen Apr 9

        An example, from general relativity: "If you're on a spaceship, and carry a really good clock down near to the event horizon of a black hole, and come back, you'll find that time has slowed down relative to people who didn't go on the trip". Dwell on that, & it's mindblowing.

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      6. michael_nielsen‏ @michael_nielsen Apr 9

        Or an example from complex analysis: suppose you have a function that's analytic everywhere in the complex plane. Than integrate it round a closed curve in the complex plane, and you'll find that you get 0. Again, it's mindblowing!

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      7. michael_nielsen‏ @michael_nielsen Apr 9

        For the last, you need to know what analytic means: (f(z+epsilon)-f(z))/epsilon approaches a constant limit as epsilon approaches 0, everywhere. Intuitively, the key thing going beyond real differentiability is that epsilon can approach 0 from any direction in the complex plane

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      2. Colin Wright‏ @ColinTheMathmo Apr 10
        Replying to @michael_nielsen

        I've been searching for such a thing for a long time, and it's nice to see the responses here. But I'd ask for something similar for Group Theory. What is your "Brief, nice thing that makes people go Wow!" for Group Theory?

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      3. michael_nielsen‏ @michael_nielsen Apr 10
        Replying to @ColinTheMathmo

        I'm not a group theorist, nor a mathematician, so I'm the wrong person to ask. I do find the Solovay-Kitaev thm wonderful: informally, if you take products of elements in (many) compact Lie groups, they fill in the group exponentially quickly, & surprisingly near to uniformly

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      4. michael_nielsen‏ @michael_nielsen Apr 10
        Replying to @michael_nielsen @ColinTheMathmo

        A picture is better to explain what this means. And probably best explained concretely using, e.g., rotations and a few similar examples.

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      5. michael_nielsen‏ @michael_nielsen Apr 10
        Replying to @michael_nielsen @ColinTheMathmo

        I don't quite understand it well enough to make the attempt, but I'll bet there's a mindblowing 5-minute explanation of what Gromov's theorem on groups of polynomial growth says.

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      6. Colin Wright‏ @ColinTheMathmo Apr 10
        Replying to @michael_nielsen

        Hmm. I'll have to think about that. I certainly don't know enough to be able to see immediately how or why that's interesting, so I'd have to dig into it. One result I did use to impress some 16 year olds was that in a group of even order there is an element a with a^2 = 1.

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      7. Colin Wright‏ @ColinTheMathmo Apr 10
        Replying to @ColinTheMathmo @michael_nielsen

        That's in a completely different league, but it served to show them something that without group theory wasn't obvious, but with group theory was completely obvious. That hinted at the power of the topic, but took about 2 minutes from nothing.

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      8. Colin Wright‏ @ColinTheMathmo Apr 10
        Replying to @ColinTheMathmo @michael_nielsen

        The things you're talking about would not be accessible to the youngsters I deal with, so I'm looking for something they wouldn't be able to show, but which becomes obvious with just basic group theory.

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      9. michael_nielsen‏ @michael_nielsen Apr 10
        Replying to @ColinTheMathmo

        It's not quite that level, but Fermat's little theorem of course follows from Lagrange's theorem. I'll bet you could do an amazing elementary video that was Euclid's algorithm, Fermat's little theorem, Lagrange's theorem, and Pratt's theorem (!), all in about 15 minutes!

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      2. Carlos Scheidegger‏ @scheidegger Apr 9
        Replying to @michael_nielsen

        The Yoneda lemma is the obvious answer I think

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      3. michael_nielsen‏ @michael_nielsen Apr 9
        Replying to @scheidegger

        What's the brief explanation of why I should care?

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      4. Carlos Scheidegger‏ @scheidegger Apr 9
        Replying to @michael_nielsen

        It’s a precise way to say “anything is perfectly determined by its relationship to everything else”

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      5. michael_nielsen‏ @michael_nielsen Apr 9
        Replying to @scheidegger

        Can you say why that's interesting?

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      6. Scott Oswald‏ @leavesandlemmas Apr 9
        Replying to @michael_nielsen @scheidegger

        You know a mathematical object by the company it keeps. The yoneda lemma essentially means an object is what it does: See here for better explanation:https://www.math3ma.com/blog/the-yoneda-perspective …

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      7. michael_nielsen‏ @michael_nielsen Apr 9
        Replying to @leavesandlemmas @scheidegger

        That and the followup post (with more details) look very interesting!

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      8. Carlos Scheidegger‏ @scheidegger Apr 9
        Replying to @michael_nielsen @leavesandlemmas

        (Cc @math3ma)

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