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Searching for the numinous. Co-purveyor of https://quantum.country/ 

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    1. Paul Gribble‏ @paulgribble Mar 23
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      Doing everything solitary? Would be v difficult. Very easy to end up going in circles with oneself. Writing together (actually together in person not trading track changes) really helps me make progress

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    2. Paul Gribble‏ @paulgribble Mar 23
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      For me the “writing” is not the difficult part it’s figuring out what I want to say. Once I know that the writing-it-out is way easier. Still needs several rounds of editing to polish the text but that’s much easier at least for me.

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    3. Arseny Khakhalin‏ @ampanmdagaba Mar 23
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      Right, but that's exactly what's killing me! I know it's normal, but still. Say I'm asking A. By the end of draft. I realize that I didn't answer A, but answered some B. I go back and change A to B. Now C is missing in the middle. Etc. It takes forever, and feels.. wrong?

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    4. Paul Gribble‏ @paulgribble Mar 23
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      I know the phenomenon well! For me I had to change my mindset from: "if I read the right papers and think the right thoughts and plan the right plans, then I should be able to write the right paper, blammo, quick, there it is" .... to: 1/

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    5. Paul Gribble‏ @paulgribble Mar 23
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      "it's a process, I will need to fully write approach A to find out that approach B is better, then write that out, and oh I do need a bit of A after all but now C is needed too but can't integrate. Hmm start again let's try D & this is good, not bad, this is how to make progress"

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    6. Arseny Khakhalin‏ @ampanmdagaba Mar 23
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      Thanks! But do you set any limits for yourself? Or are you open to shuffling these ABC cubes around for as long as needed? I feel that this iterative process is great, but it's also a perfectionist's trap. I almost wish I had an excuse of a deadline. Not perfect? Too bad. Done!

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    7. Paul Gribble‏ @paulgribble Mar 23
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      Yes absolutely, perfection is the enemy of progress. At some point one has to commit to an approach, execute it as best as one can, and deliver in a timely fashion. Typically in a paper or a grant once we decide what it is we want to say, there are ~ 5-6 rounds of editing .../

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    8. Paul Gribble‏ @paulgribble Mar 23
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      and each round can be done if we are devoting continuous time to it, in a regular workday

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    9. Arseny Khakhalin‏ @ampanmdagaba Mar 23
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      Oh, thank God, 6 rounds of editing! It's so much more comforting than @KordingLab 's "one rewrite, one polishing, and we're done!" I mean, I remember reading a thread by @KordingLab a few months ago, where he said that he was slower early on. Coz just 2 round is inhuman! =]

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    10. KordingLab‏ @KordingLab Mar 23
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      The time it took me to write each paper was in good approximation 1000h/n where n is the index of the paper. So first paper, 1000h, second 500h etc. 300th paper, 3h. Also, helps to have amazing students.

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      michael_nielsen‏ @michael_nielsen Mar 23
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      I like the fact that \sum time(n) diverges, but only logarithmically.

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        1. KordingLab‏ @KordingLab Mar 23
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          There are people who "write" hundreds of papers per year.

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