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    1. michael_nielsen‏ @michael_nielsen Mar 10
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      Two facts about climate I wish were much better known: In most countries apart from US beliefs about climate are not strongly associated to politics: https://twitter.com/NGruen1/status/1023018199984435200 … We're near peak emissions: https://twitter.com/michael_nielsen/status/674738150367993856 … (Graph has ticked up slightly, still near flat.)

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      Paper in Nature Climate Change (tentatively) suggests global CO2 emissions may be declining http://www.nature.com/articles/nclimate2892.epdf?referrer_access_token=s1awyyC-oO6etR336Cj_HNRgN0jAjWel9jnR3ZoTv0PZ7Wa610RO0dCDFlIIHZ74qcAiRyRLeTjy1w-5IRtPPSUdHbny_NP43wRzYrSEjYc3Yy3cCrW_6kuwy-8K-e8OQuzShps06O73r4wsofA5E-O-EaT7dZSiSRMkiGRrojMwUaRyzOpRy3ekJ1-825iQFi1DD4m81eHFBKN23yCWMP5KNb0xzqXoDieEXqJ8IqROptfJ-r2JDpgA5iSBDIISsx6p41e_yqf5lm2_P31ZPQ%3D%3D&tracking_referrer=www.nytimes.com … pic.twitter.com/RPCzAqPVaM
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    2. michael_nielsen‏ @michael_nielsen Mar 10
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      BTW, if your first response to the polarization in the US is "damn fool Republicans" then you're part of the reason for the polarization. A more interesting response than beating on the outgroup is to try to understand deeply _why_ this is true in the US, and how it could change

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    3. Ben Eater‏ @ben_eater Mar 10
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      A guess: The unique success and growth of the US economy sets it apart. Solutions to climate change (are perceived to) come at the cost of that growth continuing.

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    4. Ben Eater‏ @ben_eater Mar 10
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      So there’s an argument that slowing economic growth will hurt people at the margins. And an argument that doing nothing on climate will hurt people at the margins. Both arguments attract righteous crusaders.

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    5. Ben Eater‏ @ben_eater Mar 10
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      But the former is less attractive in, e.g., western European countries where sufficient social programs exist to support people against slowing economic growth. And the latter is less attractive in, e.g., China where economic growth is so visibly lifting people out of poverty.

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    6. Ben Eater‏ @ben_eater Mar 10
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      If true, in the US, this suggests there’d be broad support for climate solutions that don’t (appear to) threaten economic growth. E.g., isn’t there some bipartisan support for more nuclear energy production?

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    7. michael_nielsen‏ @michael_nielsen Mar 10
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      Nice thoughtful theory. One of your premises is wrong, though - the US hasn't shown particularly unusual economic growth the past few decades, and is lower than many of the countries on that list. I don't think that kills your argument, but it'd need amendment somehow.

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      michael_nielsen‏ @michael_nielsen Mar 10
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      A variation that might help explain: the passage of the Clean Air Act in the US arguably did hurt a lot of people very badly, economically. And maybe that's behind some of the aversion, along the lines you sketch.

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        2. Ben Eater‏ @ben_eater Mar 10
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          I'm tempted to assume my misconception is more widespread and therefore I'm still right :) ... But perhaps, as you suggest, it is specific harms from specific policies that led to general skepticism of tampering with free-market economics.

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        3. Ben Eater‏ @ben_eater Mar 10
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          I can see how that could become conflated with the idea that there’s something exceptional about the US economy that needs to be protected more generally. Though, e.g., it feels like a stretch to dismiss cap-and-trade solely on the basis of that. So I dunno.

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