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    1. Corey Keyser‏ @KoreyCeyser Mar 7
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      Best theories for why its so stagnant?

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    2. michael_nielsen‏ @michael_nielsen Mar 7
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      It's a good question. The effect is remarkably strong - it's like there's a systemic force holding things in place.

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    3. michael_nielsen‏ @michael_nielsen Mar 7
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      I'm sure part of the answer (probably only a small part) is just that in the tail differences tend to be large. So e.g., by the Shanghai metrics, Harvard has a long way to fall to get to number 2. But in the bottom half of the list I don't believe this effect wld be that strong

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    4. Alex Olshevsky‏ @alexolshevsky1 Mar 7
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      Rankings self-reinforce. Employers more likely to hire students from top-ranked universities, so best students go to top-ranked places, making employers even likelier to hire from there and so on. Same effect in terms faculty recruitment, funding, grad student recruitment, etc.

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    5. michael_nielsen‏ @michael_nielsen Mar 7
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      If that's the only axis for competition, sure. But this effect didn't save DEC from being beaten by Google, Myspace from Facebook, etc.

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    6. Alex Olshevsky‏ @alexolshevsky1 Mar 7
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      I don't know much about DEC, but I was an active user of Myspace/Friendster at the time Facebook began, and both were unusable (page loading times >40 secs). Perhaps the moral is that large self-reinforcing effects persist in the face of large screwups...

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    7. michael_nielsen‏ @michael_nielsen Mar 7
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      Blockbuster / Netflix. Toyota / name your favourite defunct car company. Etc x 1,000. The point is flux is common among industries where there's actual competition. The chart suggests research universities aren't really competing.

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    8. Alex Olshevsky‏ @alexolshevsky1 Mar 7
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      I'm a fan of Bryan Caplan's argument that education is primarily about signalling. By contrast, choosing between Blockbuster/Netflix is about watching a movie. So if school X does figure out a better way to teach than Harvard, it won't draw many students away from Harvard...

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    9. michael_nielsen‏ @michael_nielsen Mar 7
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      That was my original point: real competition seems to have largely been moved out of the system. (Education/Caplan is not relevant: most of the Shanghai ranking is based on research. Regard it as a ranking of research institutions.)

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    10. Alex Olshevsky‏ @alexolshevsky1 Mar 7
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      Schools do compete, though -- I've been to about 100 different meetings across 5 institutions where people discuss how to improve ranking. New programs are started all the time, new majors, old programs closed down, etc. Caplan's thesis is relevant because it explains why...

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      michael_nielsen‏ @michael_nielsen Mar 7
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      Let me be explicit: the Shanghai rankings aren't principally about education. They're about research. I am talking about research, and have been since the initial tweet. Caplan's thesis is interesting, but largely irrelevant to the current subject.

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        2. michael_nielsen‏ @michael_nielsen Mar 7
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          You are talking about a different subject. Also interesting, if true, which is that a type of Matthew effect dominates in rankings of _educational_ institutions by supposed educational quality. But not what this thread is about.

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        3. Corey Keyser‏ @KoreyCeyser Mar 7
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          Seems like that could affect the amount of research grants that those institutions recieve. Possible bias regardless of the actual innovation of the research. Feel like Ive seen a @MargRev on this before

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