What I don't understand: the IR that's being blocked by the GHGs is energy which has already been absorbed by the Earth. So this shouldn't change the Earth's overall absorbivity, and I don't see how it could change the Earth's temperature.
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Twitter may not be the best medium for this(??) But if someone who understands this well can point me to a good explanation, I'd appreciate it. Thanks!
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I omitted the technical details, but it's this: the temperature should be set by: incoming energy flux = epsilon sigma T^4, where epsilon is the emissivity, sigma is the Stefan-Boltzmann constant, and T is the temperature.
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Since anything absorbed by the GHGs has already been absorbed by the Earth, the absorptivity (and thus the emissivity) shouldn't be changed by the GHGs, and so I don't see how T can be changed by the GHGs.
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I should have said earlier in the thread, but the key thing I'm worried about: why is epsilon in the Stefan-Boltzmann relation changed, since net absorptivity apparently isn't? Or is S-B the wrong way to be thinking?
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Update: I believe
@PESimeon has isolated the source of my confusion. A summary (more or less) can be found here:https://twitter.com/michael_nielsen/status/1096990267259809793 …michael_nielsen added,
michael_nielsen @michael_nielsenReplying to @michael_nielsen @PESimeonIn more detail, the temperature of the Earth+atmosphere system isn't changed by GHGs (since the absorptivity and thus emissivity isn't changed, and ignoring the role of water vapour in setting emissivity). But the ground temperature may well be.1 reply 1 retweet 15 likesShow this thread -
Thankyou for all the comments and the links. It's very much appreciated, and has clarified matters greatly for me, especially (though certainly not just) in the part of the thread linked in the last tweet.
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If you ever want to get into the details, Pierrehumbert's book "Principles of Planetary Climate" is good: https://www.amazon.com/Principles-Planetary-Climate-Raymond-Pierrehumbert/dp/0521865565 … It starts out with the basics (including how CO2 changes the Earth's temperature) and works up to complex models.
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Thanks - based on this article https://geosci.uchicago.edu/~rtp1/papers/PhysTodayRT2011.pdf … I'm not surprised to hear the book is good.
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Profoundly irritated at publishers who charge more for the electronic book than the hardcover though.
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