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    1. michael_nielsen‏ @michael_nielsen Feb 16
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      But the Earth also absorbs some of the radiation, heating the Earth. At equilibrium that energy is later re-radiated. Crucially, that's at infrared frequencies, where greenhouse gases make the atmosphere somewhat opaque

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    2. michael_nielsen‏ @michael_nielsen Feb 16
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      Intuitively, the GHGs makes the atmosphere a little like a one-way "blanket", allowing some energy through (at optical and UV frequencies), but making it harder for the infrared radiation to get back out again.

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    3. michael_nielsen‏ @michael_nielsen Feb 16
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      The net effect is for the Earth to have to heat up a little extra, thus producing a little more infrared so that at equilibrium the total amount of energy escaping is the same as the total amount of energy incident.

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    4. michael_nielsen‏ @michael_nielsen Feb 16
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      What I don't understand: the IR that's being blocked by the GHGs is energy which has already been absorbed by the Earth. So this shouldn't change the Earth's overall absorbivity, and I don't see how it could change the Earth's temperature.

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    5. Amit Patel‏ @redblobgames Feb 16
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      Something I don't understand is whether the effect is due to the *fraction* of CO2 in the atmosphere or the *amount* of CO2 in the atmosphere. I've been wondering this after reading that the atmosphere may have been thicker in the past (http://pubs.acs.org/subscribe/archive/ci/30/i12/html/12learn.html …)

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    6. michael_nielsen‏ @michael_nielsen Feb 16
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      I've read - reliably, I think - that it depends on concentration on different altitudes.

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    7. Paul Simeon‏ @PESimeon Feb 16
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      @redblobgames and @michael_nielsen , I found this article useful. The amount of CO2 matters because it broadens the absorption bands and raises the altitude of the surface of last scattering, which has a lower temperature and lower emitting power. https://skepticalscience.com/saturated-co2-effect-advanced.htm …

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    8. Paul Simeon‏ @PESimeon Feb 16
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      There are many subtle or technical aspects to the whole problem, and I'm a little surprised I don't hear more conversations like these. I spent days mulling over these things before finding that article and a related figure of the fine-grained absorption bands.

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    9. michael_nielsen‏ @michael_nielsen Feb 16
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      I've also been a little frustrated. I can follow detailed model calculations, but filling out my physical intuition has taken quite a bit of time, and I'm surprised there's not more clear accounts. (Or maybe there are, and I've been looking in the wrong places.)

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    10. michael_nielsen‏ @michael_nielsen Feb 16
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      That article, BTW, seems quite useful.

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      michael_nielsen‏ @michael_nielsen Feb 16
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      Though I must admit the use of the term Plank law is both amusing and a little concerning.

      10:10 PM - 16 Feb 2019
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