But the Earth also absorbs some of the radiation, heating the Earth. At equilibrium that energy is later re-radiated. Crucially, that's at infrared frequencies, where greenhouse gases make the atmosphere somewhat opaque
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That sounds pretty plausible to me. I'll want to think on it. It may help explain something else I've been confused about, which is that I've read that the altitude of GHGs in the atmosphere matters.
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Just linking to your other tweet, to collect everything before Twitter's multithreading makes a mess:https://twitter.com/PESimeon/status/1096989969225154560 …
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Summing up further: do a Stefan-Boltzmann calculation with the combined Earth+atmosphere system. This _isn't_ changed by the GHGs. But then you can construct some simple model of atmospheric heating based on GHG absoption which lets you infer the ground temperature.
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And I totally buy that that will be determined by the concentration of GHGs, probably in quite an interesting way, possibly dependent quite a bit on the variation of density with altitude (not just overall concentration).
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Thanks again
@PESimeon - I'll want to work through the details, but it seems very likely you've pointed out the source of my confusion.
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Though true, this is not the resolution. Even in the simple S-B picture, the temperature *does* go up, because the incoming flux is all inward flux, not just incident flux. Inward flux goes up from GHG, raising T
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Remember, it's an equilibrium relation
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The idealized greenhouse model on Wikipedia does careful bookkkeeping: https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Idealized_greenhouse_model …
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as a 2nd-order effect (though still significant iirc from geosystems), the warmer surface temp/oceans then leads to less ice cover which reduces albedo & increases absorption
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[sorry if this seems too tangential to the current conversation; thought it was worth mentioning based on the original tweet since a few of these subsystem feedback loops are quite important in longterm modeling]
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