I tried to write out an explanation of how the heating due to greenhouse gases works, and realized there's a big hole in my understanding. Can someone who understand the detailed physics help or point me to a really clear and thorough explanation?
I should have said earlier in the thread, but the key thing I'm worried about: why is epsilon in the Stefan-Boltzmann relation changed, since net absorptivity apparently isn't? Or is S-B the wrong way to be thinking?
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Update: I believe
@PESimeon has isolated the source of my confusion. A summary (more or less) can be found here:https://twitter.com/michael_nielsen/status/1096990267259809793 …Show this thread -
Thankyou for all the comments and the links. It's very much appreciated, and has clarified matters greatly for me, especially (though certainly not just) in the part of the thread linked in the last tweet.
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The crucial thing is atmosphere temp is lower at altitude where the CO2 is reradiating in its band. http://climatemodels.uchicago.edu/modtran/ This is a good paper https://geosci.uchicago.edu/~rtp1/papers/PhysTodayRT2011.pdf …
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Thankyou, looks very interesting!
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Michael, complicating things is the parallel thermodynamic heat transfer of convection. The atmosphere is a heat pump, of Carnot & ‘steam’ cycles. Increased convection-shear has been documented and thought a disruptive reason behind decrease in cyclone #’s. Ocean heat x DWLR ???
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I'm happy to neglect that. If I can't understand the simple model I described there's no hope of understanding more complex models.
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S-B equation constituents only change after some warming has taken place. And it's the SB equation that prevents small deltas in earth input/output power flow from stacking up on each other. Thus S-B allows the average temperature to find a new equilibrium.
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S-B Increases the power directed outward (because temperature increases). Some percentage (proportional to the atmosphere's GHG ppm) of that outward directed energy ends up leaving. Then inward and outward flux gets balanced.
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