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    1. Stephen Pimentel‏ @StephenPiment Feb 8
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      Drexler–Smalley debate on molecular nanotechnology https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Drexler%E2%80%93Smalley_debate_on_molecular_nanotechnology …

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    2. Nick Szabo  🔑‏ @NickSzabo4 Feb 8
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      Looks like Smalley has been proven right but the subsequent failures to develop this technology.

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    3. Stephen Pimentel‏ @StephenPiment Feb 8
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      It's true that of the potentially transformative technologies of the late 20th century, nanotech has been one of the slowest to materialize. But then, one could say the same of nuclear fusion, for which I still hold out high hopes.

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    4. Matthew Pirkowski‏ @MattPirkowski Feb 8
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      I tend to side with Kurzweil regarding his analysis of this debate, though Smalley's argument were useful insofar as they forced more precise articulations of Drexler's vision. Additionally, my guess is that the "industrial" mode of thinking remains incongruent with this scale.

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    5. Matthew Pirkowski‏ @MattPirkowski Feb 8
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      Meaning that we require a deeper understanding of complex atomic and molecular dynamics in order to generate systems capable of precise electro-magnetic or bio-chemical nudging in service of complex self-assembly. Here, tools like DeepMind are useful. Are we close? Hard to say.

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    6. Matthew Pirkowski‏ @MattPirkowski Feb 8
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      And it's in this sense that Smalley's use of metaphors like "falling in love" at the molecular scale are relevant, as such complex processes of self-assembly are precisely that: complex processes which are more similar to people falling in love than to building a car.

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    7. Nick Szabo  🔑‏ @NickSzabo4 Feb 8
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      Metaphors about love and fat fingers are fun but the real problem AFAIK is Heisenberg's uncertainty principle. Atoms and molecules are not hard sand or diamond particles writ small, they are wave functions describing the probability events will happen.

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    8. Nick Szabo  🔑‏ @NickSzabo4 Feb 8
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      After all this time Drexler & his myriad fans have still failed to convince the vast majority of chemists & physicists & more importantly failed to convince reality in the form of actually working machines, that he has figured out a way to cheat Heisenberg on such small scales.

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    9. Perry E. Metzger‏ @perrymetzger Feb 8
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      What do you think the uncertainty of position of a carbon or even hydrogen atom is? Have you bothered calculating it? Hint: it isn't big. Just do the math if you don't believe me. And furthermore, you can IMAGE them.

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      michael_nielsen‏ @michael_nielsen Feb 8
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      Replying to @perrymetzger @NickSzabo4 and

      Curious how you do such a calculation? Standard quantum limits (e.g. in interferometry) usually involve specifying a free variable, typically some type of frequency. Are you calculating a standard quantum limit in your calculation?

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        2. michael_nielsen‏ @michael_nielsen Feb 8
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          As far as I'm aware, it's standard physics that both position and momentum (but ofc not both at once) variance can be reduced arbitrarily. Indeed, LIGO has begun using squeezed states (of light, not matter, but the idea is the same) to improve their strain sensitivity.

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        3. michael_nielsen‏ @michael_nielsen Feb 8
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          Still, I'd be interested to see Eric's calculation if he has one beyond what anyone familiar with basic quantum physics sees.

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        2. Perry E. Metzger‏ @perrymetzger Feb 8
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          The easy place to start is from a quantum harmonic oscillator model, but you can do a back of the envelope from things like expected velocities from a semiclassical thermal model. Quantum rotation isn't usually interesting outside of the gas phase.

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        3. michael_nielsen‏ @michael_nielsen Feb 8
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          The harmonic oscillator needs a frequency associated to it. That's the frequency which shows up in standard quantum limit calculations; it's a free parameter in the model. I'd be curious how Eric chose it. (Of course, squeezed states evade these calculations, but still obey HUP.)

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