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    1. David A. Markowitz‏ @neurowitz Jan 25
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      David A. Markowitz Retweeted Dave Blake

      The biggest factor for success as an acad scientist is achieving product-market fit early in your career to gain a leg up on peers for profile, grants and recruiting best people to max your productivity per unit time, which makes it easier to further max product-market fit...https://twitter.com/_stah/status/1088742121409007616 …

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      Dave Blake @_stah
      Replying to @serghei_mangul @schoppik
      The number one variable in bring a good parent is time. A major variable in being a great scientist is time. It is not impossible to do both, but in my experience VERY rare.
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    2. David A. Markowitz‏ @neurowitz Jan 25
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      This bias some people have about success in science vs success as a parent being an either-or proposition is ludicrous. Either you capture an early advantage in the scientific market and all the value accrues to your brand, or you don't. Kids have nothing to do with it.

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    3. David A. Markowitz‏ @neurowitz Jan 25
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      I know lots of brilliant, hard-working, creative people who failed to get that product-market fit as a postdoc and left academia. Some had kids, some didn't. Many of the ones with kids still worked nights and weekends. It's irrelevant to success.

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    4. David A. Markowitz‏ @neurowitz Jan 25
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      The failure mode of academic science is that it actively punishes the careers of really smart people who fail to achieve product-market fit on the prescribed schedule (i.e. by end of first postdoc). Lots of great potential PIs wash out for this reason.

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    5. michael_nielsen‏ @michael_nielsen Jan 25
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      At that point they've typically had 8-10 years to achieve it, or about a quarter of an entire career. How much longer do you think they should typically have?

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    6. David A. Markowitz‏ @neurowitz Jan 25
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      It's much less time than that if you exclude graduate training, when a person is still learning how to do science and has very little independence in most labs.

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    7. michael_nielsen‏ @michael_nielsen Jan 25
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      I find that incredibly uncompelling. If someone has 5 years to work on improving at something, they usually show substantial progress. If they don't, it's usually - not always - a sign that it's not going to work. It's often money coming out of taxpayer's pockets, too.

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    8. Manjari Narayan‏ @NeuroStats Jan 26
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      Replying to @michael_nielsen @neurowitz

      What if someone has made substantial progress of the sort that hasn't been valued? I didn't interpret lack of fit to mean lack of progress.

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      michael_nielsen‏ @michael_nielsen Jan 26
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      Replying to @NeuroStats @neurowitz

      Yes, that happens. I'm criticising an earlier tweet, which seems to espouse the point of view that _generically_ 8-10 years isn't enough time for people to really get going & make an impact.

      12:13 PM - 26 Jan 2019
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      • Nikete stupid twitt account
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        2. michael_nielsen‏ @michael_nielsen Jan 26
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          It's certainly possible to find and make exceptions; I've been a party to some (and, in some ways, a beneficiary). But I'm pretty unsympathetic to the idea of further extending the typical career path, in part because society spends enormous sums of money on it already.

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        3. David A. Markowitz‏ @neurowitz Jan 27
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          I'd argue the aggregate scientific value for money is pretty high for government funded postdocs. My first year postdoc salary at NYU, with degrees from MIT and Princeton, was "NIH standard minimum" $39k. I worked happily on that scale for over 4 years, as do most people.

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