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    1. michael_nielsen‏ @michael_nielsen 26 Dec 2018
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      Borges: "[I]ntelligence has little to do with poetry. Poetry springs from something deeper; it’s beyond intelligence. It may not even be linked with wisdom. It’s a thing of its own; it has a nature of its own. Undefinable."pic.twitter.com/cylWJkrREc

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      michael_nielsen‏ @michael_nielsen 26 Dec 2018
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      I think about this quote often, and wonder what Borges meant. I suspect our conception of intelligence is incredibly limited & confining.

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        2. Isiodos Tsigos‏ @isiodos 27 Dec 2018
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          Creativity doesn't even have much to do with consciousness (Julian Jaynes' Origin of Consciousness addresses that well). It's on the editing /packaging part where (standard) intelligence and consciousness enter the picture.

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        3. Isiodos Tsigos‏ @isiodos 27 Dec 2018
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          Indeed "standard" intelligence & wisdom do not seem to be prerequisites for great art. An example from mainstream - Kanye West's MBDTF is musically genius - is this due to "IQ" or wisdom?

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        1. Anna Gát  ✨‏ @TheAnnaGat 26 Dec 2018
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          Ha! Was reading Dodgson few days ago & wondered: he was gifted mathematician *&* also sliced up the language (& still made sense). Always felt that's related - mathematicians tend to have great syntax & lot of flexibility with it (notice: foreign language, low vocab, high syntax)

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        1. N Krishnaswami‏ @nkrishnaswami 26 Dec 2018
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          artificial, one might say

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        1. Weston Beecroft‏ @Westoncb 26 Dec 2018
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          Hey may be referring to something like perception combined with aesthetic sense. There's the idea that thought obscures our perceptions since attention is conserved, so maybe he's explicitly contrasting with intelligence to point out that what's required happens without thought.

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        1. Carlos De la Guardia‏ @dela3499 26 Dec 2018
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          There are many kinds of knowledge, and knowledge-creating processes, in our minds. I’d guess the specific mechanisms for learning to ride a bike, read a facial expression, or write a novel are all different, along with how they’re stored and later recalled.

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        1. Alex Shulepov‏ @AlexShulepov7 26 Dec 2018
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          "Poetry is meant to be a little silly" - as the best Poet said. Borges just showing off.

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        2. František Řezáč‏ @calaverainfo 27 Dec 2018
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          I came to the same idea about a year ago in a moment of enlightment which changed my view of the human nature. Poetry is a connection between minds at much lower level because it bypasses information laws which are otherwise implicitly forced upon us by using grammar as a form.

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        3. František Řezáč‏ @calaverainfo 27 Dec 2018
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          In other words logic and intelligence are constraints of our brain "modems". But what we ultimately want to communicate are patterns of our neural nets which don't need information logic at all. Poetry can do it in a raw form.

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