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    1. michael_nielsen‏ @michael_nielsen 16 Nov 2018
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      New essay from @patrickc and myself, arguing that science has suffered from greatly diminishing returns over the past century:https://www.theatlantic.com/science/archive/2018/11/diminishing-returns-science/575665/ …

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    2. Untitled Sone Game (aka Sonal Chokshi)‏ @smc90 16 Nov 2018
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      this is really good -- liked your methodology, and anticipation and inoculation of counter-arguments -- but despite the v short section on computer science, think you missed a fundamental thing:

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    3. Untitled Sone Game (aka Sonal Chokshi)‏ @smc90 16 Nov 2018
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      : which is, the role of tools -- ie, discoveries that generate more invention and innovation on top of them vs. other wholesale discoveries themselves;

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    4. Untitled Sone Game (aka Sonal Chokshi)‏ @smc90 16 Nov 2018
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      the two later possibs you mention (CRISPR and AI) are more important for this reason -- that they're tools, and platforms to build on, more than just self-contained discoveries -- than any other reason

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    5. Untitled Sone Game (aka Sonal Chokshi)‏ @smc90 16 Nov 2018
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      my only other gripe w the piece would be missing an area (that is missed by many) when it comes to science progress: *material science* (this is the #1 thing I got out of PARC, that and a love of MRS meeting annals;) -- for instance, progress in flexible electronics and more

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    6. Untitled Sone Game (aka Sonal Chokshi)‏ @smc90 16 Nov 2018
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      and that has other policy implications because it suggests a different, and I think far more important recommendation than "more funding" or different grant prize-rewarding mechanisms:

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    7. Untitled Sone Game (aka Sonal Chokshi)‏ @smc90 16 Nov 2018
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      which is, the importance of an "architect" in helping architect an *ecosystem* for growing a particular area of science and invention (for instance, with matsci and flex electronics it would be the enabling materials required)

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    8. Untitled Sone Game (aka Sonal Chokshi)‏ @smc90 16 Nov 2018
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      [I'm not typically a believer in top down design but this is the rare case where I think old-school govt incentives in research would work well]

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    9. Untitled Sone Game (aka Sonal Chokshi)‏ @smc90 16 Nov 2018
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      [still, the piece is really well done. in particular (I like my praise specific!:), I liked how at every point I whatabouted while reading it you guys answered in next paragraph;)]

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      michael_nielsen‏ @michael_nielsen 17 Nov 2018
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      Thanks Sonal! I'm not so keen on the architect model, in that that's essentially the current system. Grant agencies & other institutions act as de facto (and sometimes explicitly see themselves as) such architects.

      9:54 AM - 17 Nov 2018
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        1. michael_nielsen‏ @michael_nielsen 17 Nov 2018
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          They're often very smart, very well informed & intentioned people. But, as I say later in the thread, I think it's more powerful to have a decentralized system where powerful new institutional ideas can outcompete old. That happens very slowly today.

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