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    michael_nielsen‏ @michael_nielsen 16 Nov 2018
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    michael_nielsen Retweeted Alexander Berger

    Both seem possible: that it's a consequence of the structure of knowledge, and that it may be due to institutional factors. I suspect some of both, which means the optimistic response is to be trying new approaches.https://twitter.com/albrgr/status/1063472753309712384 …

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    Alexander Berger @albrgr
    Interesting essay from @michael_nielsen and @patrickc: https://www.theatlantic.com/science/archive/2018/11/diminishing-returns-science/575665/ …. Totally agree productivity in science has been declining though I’m less confident than they seem that it demands an institutional response. Seems fundamentally driven to me.
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      2. UR‏ @u1413r 17 Nov 2018
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        Just like to mention that if the non-discovery portion of an economy were to grow disproportionately faster than its complement, each discovery Would become more 'expensive'; ie it becomes relatively scarce even though its own supply may still be growing (albeit more slowly).

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      3. UR‏ @u1413r 17 Nov 2018
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        In other words, not only do we have more resources to throw into research, whether judiciously or not, our world has also become harder to improve through sci & tech directly. This might account for some of your fascinating observations!

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      1. Adam Dorfman  🧢‏ @AdamDorfman00 17 Nov 2018
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        In my opinion, it's a more collaborative networked economy approach that is most needed in venture science. This way a critical mass can be reached to challenge outdated theories.

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      1. Rainer Lange‏ @RnrLng 20 Nov 2018
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        Thanks for the interesting essay in the Atlantic. I have been thinking about diminishing marginal returns on research investment a lot recently - could it be that science deals with increasingly complex phenomena, and encounters some equivalent to the curse of dimensionality?

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      1. limitedinc‏ @limitedinc3 16 Nov 2018
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        Have you read James Le Fanu's Rise and Fall of Modern Medicine? He makes a similar argument, locating the golden age of medicine in the 1950s. Le Fanu's account puts a lot of emphasis on the accidents that created our best drugs. Here's a review. https://www.prospectmagazine.co.uk/magazine/thefallofmedicine …

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