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    1. Paul Graham‏Verified account @paulg 1 Nov 2018
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      Popular environmentalism (e.g. banning plastic straws) is like the way inexperienced programmers optimize code at random, without profiling first.

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    2. Jeroen Bollen‏ @jbinero 1 Nov 2018
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      The ban on plastic straws in the EU was motivated by the fact that it's one of the most common forms of litter. 300.000 pieces of litter were studied to come to this conclusion. Furthermore, it's not a real ban. It just requires the producers to pay for the cleanup costs.

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    3. Paul Graham‏Verified account @paulg 1 Nov 2018
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      By mass?

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    4. Jeroen Bollen‏ @jbinero 2 Nov 2018
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      Completely irrelevant. I take it you are more educated on the subject than the researchers who determined this would be an effective measure? Your entire argument relied on a falsehood, that the ban on straws was to reduce plastic waste.

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    5.  👔Jorge Escobar‏ @JorgeEscobar 2 Nov 2018
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      Just to be clear, if banning straws was actually optimal solution, everyone would go after it. That's the way humans work. Other than that, looks good to say it in certain circles, no thing more.

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    6. Jeroen Bollen‏ @jbinero 2 Nov 2018
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      Go ahead then. How was the research conducted on behalf of the commission wrong?

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    7. michael_nielsen‏ @michael_nielsen 3 Nov 2018
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      Can you link to the original study? I've spent 10 mins looking, and can't find it. Thanks.

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      michael_nielsen‏ @michael_nielsen 3 Nov 2018
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      Okay, so I found what I presume is the press release, which is very good as press releases go (but also a long way short of a paper): http://europa.eu/rapid/press-release_MEMO-18-3909_en.htm … It doesn't state how much straws contribute, unfortunately, though they're on the (long) list of top contributorspic.twitter.com/nNH7Dz8ilN

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        2. michael_nielsen‏ @michael_nielsen 3 Nov 2018
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          Here's what the press release identifies as the worst contributors, together w strategies for each. Not as good as really effective profiling for program optimization, but much better than scattershot "let's fix whatever we can". It'd be nice to better understand methodologypic.twitter.com/3PRhQiIhuG

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        3. michael_nielsen‏ @michael_nielsen 3 Nov 2018
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          Put another way: straw bans _may_ sometimes be part of a reasonably well thought out overall approach. That fact is not visible in common ways of marketing such bans (which are moronic), but may be true at the policy source. This is surprisingly common in government.

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