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    1. Andy Matuschak‏Verified account @andy_matuschak 23 Oct 2018
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      Indeed! Per Kay: perhaps we should instead be optimizing “number of Sistine Chapel ceilings per generation.” http://www.vpri.org/pdf/hc_pers_comp_for_children.pdf …https://twitter.com/dela3499/status/1054648161539518464 …

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      I get the impression that self-directed learning is tested by the perverse question: “When students are free to be different and learn what they like how they like, do they nevertheless turn out the same, and learn precisely and only what I want them to know - efficiently?”
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    2. Ken Kocienda‏ @kocienda 23 Oct 2018
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      Are you implying that the Sistine Chapel ceiling is an exemplar of self-directed work? If so, I’m not sure that’s right. Pope Julius II coerced Michelangelo to do the painting. The artist himself would have much rather kept to his sculpture.

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    3. Andy Matuschak‏Verified account @andy_matuschak 23 Oct 2018
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      No, Kay argues that we should choose goals which emphasize leaps of beauty and insight over, say, proficiency with a set of standard skills. So: is it possible that student-directed methods support the former but are judged by the latter?

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    4. Ken Kocienda‏ @kocienda 23 Oct 2018
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      I get your point. Yet, fresco painting is a difficult skill, and without proficiency in it, leaps of beauty and insight in that medium are not possible. So, a question: is it possible to make skill acquisition joyful?

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      michael_nielsen‏ @michael_nielsen 23 Oct 2018
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      Reversing the question: can you do joyful things which result in you acquiring deep skills? And the answer seems to be yes, in many domains.

      11:37 AM - 23 Oct 2018
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        2. Andy Matuschak‏Verified account @andy_matuschak 23 Oct 2018
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          Yes! Which in turn creates lovely prompts: * How might we make the joyful things you already do better supply you with deep skills? * How might we help you plot a path from your position to some goal which traverses only joyful activities which result in deep skills?

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