Wut One of the reasons (to me) Tolkien is interesting+so good at what he does is precisely that he only gives glimpses in LOTR at the depth he develops in the Silmarillion+elsewhere. . . The movies were acceptable (a compliment). Battle scene at Helm's deep was awesome, though
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One of my favourite examples of this is Tolkien's brief use of the phrase "the cats of Queen Beruthiel" in Moria: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Queen_Ber%C3%BAthiel … His essay on the phenomenon of subcreation has had a large influence on my life:https://twitter.com/michael_nielsen/status/673176819965759489 …
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Not just because of the connection to UI design, of course! But rather his essay describes a way of understanding story, and how we understand the world.
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This is marvelous. Ofc beyond fiction there's a sinister tinge to it: how immensely flexible our minds are to enter, accept and internalise any story that looks coherent - that seems to provide info on how to lead out lives and what to think - and then exist in it.
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One of the things I took from that Tolkien essay is some of the difference between story & myth. It's exaggerated and too blunt, but roughly: a culture has a plethora of stories; myths, by contrast, have cultures.
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And much of the detailed difference between story and myth lies in this quality of subcreation. (Reading Tolkien on his beloved Christianity and Catholicism reinforces this point, I believe.)
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You mean that every generation can add to a story - but every generation *reinterprets* myth as it is? This would make Hamlet a myth.
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Something like that. I think the idea is sufficiently interesting & generative that I don't _want_ to reduce it to a tweet, or a single essay. But, yes, to a large extent our culture has been made by Hamlet (or by the Bible, or Star Wars, etc).
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One of my favourite ways of seeing tLoTR movies actually - both Tolkien and Jackson were telling stories based on the same underlying myth :-). Not true, of course, but I like the idea!
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What I like re your picking the Balrog part is that I think that's the deepest, core (pun) part of the whole thing. Ofc Tolkien uses archetypes etc etc but all other parts can be in a way interpreted as "cultural" a bit. Not that part -- that's just *human*.
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A fact I've never really understood: the Balrog, Sauron, Saruman, and Gandalf are really all peers (of the Maia caste). It bugs me a bit that they seem so apart in form.
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If I remember correctly the Maia rarely reveal or show their true form but instead take shapes or forms, and it is these shapes that can be destroyed.
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It just seemed strange to me that the Balrog's form was so different. Sauron's earlier forms were recognizably similar to Gandalf and Saruman; his later incarnation was a natural response to events. The Balrog seems a little weird, like Tolkien's version of monster-of-the-week
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