Oh, yes! I can't resist saying: the first 3 minutes of "The Two Towers" are amongst my favourite in all cinema. They brought alive something that Tolkien had just barely hinted at in the books.
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Wut One of the reasons (to me) Tolkien is interesting+so good at what he does is precisely that he only gives glimpses in LOTR at the depth he develops in the Silmarillion+elsewhere. . . The movies were acceptable (a compliment). Battle scene at Helm's deep was awesome, though
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One of my favourite examples of this is Tolkien's brief use of the phrase "the cats of Queen Beruthiel" in Moria: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Queen_Ber%C3%BAthiel … His essay on the phenomenon of subcreation has had a large influence on my life:https://twitter.com/michael_nielsen/status/673176819965759489 …
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Not just because of the connection to UI design, of course! But rather his essay describes a way of understanding story, and how we understand the world.
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This is marvelous. Ofc beyond fiction there's a sinister tinge to it: how immensely flexible our minds are to enter, accept and internalise any story that looks coherent - that seems to provide info on how to lead out lives and what to think - and then exist in it.
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One of the things I took from that Tolkien essay is some of the difference between story & myth. It's exaggerated and too blunt, but roughly: a culture has a plethora of stories; myths, by contrast, have cultures.
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And much of the detailed difference between story and myth lies in this quality of subcreation. (Reading Tolkien on his beloved Christianity and Catholicism reinforces this point, I believe.)
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You mean that every generation can add to a story - but every generation *reinterprets* myth as it is? This would make Hamlet a myth.
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Something like that. I think the idea is sufficiently interesting & generative that I don't _want_ to reduce it to a tweet, or a single essay. But, yes, to a large extent our culture has been made by Hamlet (or by the Bible, or Star Wars, etc).
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Isn't this more a competition/distribution question tbh? Or how P Thiel would like us to think about Google or something
Be the last search company...
Be the last canonical version of Hamlet.
The last version of what Christ was.
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I suppose if you're thinking of it as trying to win a competition between startups. But I'm quite happy to think of it otherwise. If myths have cultures, and that comes (in part) out of the act of subcreation, then who "wins" is really beside the point.
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What I mean is that among myths there must have been a healthy competition where the better ones got passed on orally. Printing and canonising institutions changed that -- one version went into print and that's that (distribution). BTWhttps://twitter.com/TheAnnaGat/status/1015765674772385792 …
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Anna Gát ✨ @TheAnnaGat1/ A thing I still find surprising about mainstream feminist narrative - and it's a curious overlap with J Peterson's old lectures lol - is treating canonical fairy tales as age-old stories summarising & passing on gender etc. stereotypes. Huh? Epic of Gilgamesh, Homer, KalevalaShow this thread1 reply 0 retweets 2 likes -
What I like about myth, in part, is that there is so much liberal borrowing and remixing. True in Hamlet, the LoTR, the Bible, Homer. I'm pretty sure much of the power comes from that.
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