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Searching for the numinous. Co-purveyor of https://quantum.country/ 

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    1. Anna Gát  ✨‏ @TheAnnaGat 14 Sep 2018
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      OMG this is so good!!!! (Also I forgot to mention that LOTR trailer also drove me insane --- and they were all like 1 year teases.... You cannot legally do that to people!!!)https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Dz4e6rnIvTM …

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    2. michael_nielsen‏ @michael_nielsen 14 Sep 2018
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      Oh, yes! I can't resist saying: the first 3 minutes of "The Two Towers" are amongst my favourite in all cinema. They brought alive something that Tolkien had just barely hinted at in the books.

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    3. Jessica Flack‏ @C4COMPUTATION 14 Sep 2018
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      Wut One of the reasons (to me) Tolkien is interesting+so good at what he does is precisely that he only gives glimpses in LOTR at the depth he develops in the Silmarillion+elsewhere. . . The movies were acceptable (a compliment). Battle scene at Helm's deep was awesome, though

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    4. michael_nielsen‏ @michael_nielsen 14 Sep 2018
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      One of my favourite examples of this is Tolkien's brief use of the phrase "the cats of Queen Beruthiel" in Moria: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Queen_Ber%C3%BAthiel … His essay on the phenomenon of subcreation has had a large influence on my life:https://twitter.com/michael_nielsen/status/673176819965759489 …

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      Tolkien on subcreation. The connection to user interface design is striking. http://www.mundusimaginalis.org/insights/perennial-philosophy-traditionalism/the-subcreation-theory-of-j-r-r-tolkien/ … pic.twitter.com/0SXSoZGL1d
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    5. michael_nielsen‏ @michael_nielsen 14 Sep 2018
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      Not just because of the connection to UI design, of course! But rather his essay describes a way of understanding story, and how we understand the world.

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    6. Anna Gát  ✨‏ @TheAnnaGat 14 Sep 2018
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      This is marvelous. Ofc beyond fiction there's a sinister tinge to it: how immensely flexible our minds are to enter, accept and internalise any story that looks coherent - that seems to provide info on how to lead out lives and what to think - and then exist in it.

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    7. michael_nielsen‏ @michael_nielsen 14 Sep 2018
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      One of the things I took from that Tolkien essay is some of the difference between story & myth. It's exaggerated and too blunt, but roughly: a culture has a plethora of stories; myths, by contrast, have cultures.

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    8. michael_nielsen‏ @michael_nielsen 14 Sep 2018
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      And much of the detailed difference between story and myth lies in this quality of subcreation. (Reading Tolkien on his beloved Christianity and Catholicism reinforces this point, I believe.)

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    9. Anna Gát  ✨‏ @TheAnnaGat 14 Sep 2018
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      You mean that every generation can add to a story - but every generation *reinterprets* myth as it is? This would make Hamlet a myth.

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    10. michael_nielsen‏ @michael_nielsen 14 Sep 2018
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      Something like that. I think the idea is sufficiently interesting & generative that I don't _want_ to reduce it to a tweet, or a single essay. But, yes, to a large extent our culture has been made by Hamlet (or by the Bible, or Star Wars, etc).

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      michael_nielsen‏ @michael_nielsen 14 Sep 2018
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      One of my favourite ways of seeing tLoTR movies actually - both Tolkien and Jackson were telling stories based on the same underlying myth :-). Not true, of course, but I like the idea!

      8:52 PM - 14 Sep 2018
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        2. Anna Gát  ✨‏ @TheAnnaGat 14 Sep 2018
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          What I like re your picking the Balrog part is that I think that's the deepest, core (pun) part of the whole thing. Ofc Tolkien uses archetypes etc etc but all other parts can be in a way interpreted as "cultural" a bit. Not that part -- that's just *human*.

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        3. michael_nielsen‏ @michael_nielsen 14 Sep 2018
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          A fact I've never really understood: the Balrog, Sauron, Saruman, and Gandalf are really all peers (of the Maia caste). It bugs me a bit that they seem so apart in form.

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