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    1. Emily M. Bender‏ @emilymbender 23 Jun 2018
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      I was told in the past week that writing books isn't a good way to get info to the avg #nlproc person because the avg CS student doesn't read books---only web pages, I guess. (& videos.) I'd love for that claim to be proven wrong. If it's not wrong, how can we change this?

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    2. Jimmy Callin‏ @jimmycallin 23 Jun 2018
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      As much as I would like to consider books superior, the only times I have found them useful in #nlproc are when they are part of a larger course. In most other ways (accessibility, interactivity, shareability) I have preferred to learn from online tutorials or videos.

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    3. Jimmy Callin‏ @jimmycallin 23 Jun 2018
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      Also, I guess it depends on whether you consider something like this a book or a web page :) http://neuralnetworksanddeeplearning.com  It hits most of my sweet spots for how I prefer to learn new stuff.

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    4. Emily M. Bender‏ @emilymbender 23 Jun 2018
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      What kinds of content are you learning from online tutorials or videos though? Does it include the kind of information from other disciplines that is required to do linguistically informed #nlproc, not to mention to engage with ethical issues?

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    5. Jimmy Callin‏ @jimmycallin 23 Jun 2018
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      That's where I find books superior, since (good) books provide a larger context to specific problem areas. When I search for information, I typically am interested in knowing how to solve a very specific issue, e.g. I need to relearn how backpropagation works for the nth time.

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    6. Jimmy Callin‏ @jimmycallin 23 Jun 2018
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      That rarely includes a larger interdisciplinary context, and whenever it does it feels rather shallow or sometimes even wrong. That's why I in parallell try to keep up with the current discourse happening within the community on Twitter or in conferences.

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    7. Jimmy Callin‏ @jimmycallin 23 Jun 2018
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      (Not saying this is the best way, it's just how my life currently works.)

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    8. Emily M. Bender‏ @emilymbender 23 Jun 2018
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      And in such a context, would you make time to read a book?

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    9. Jimmy Callin‏ @jimmycallin 23 Jun 2018
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      Replying to @emilymbender

      If I knew I were to start working on a larger project for a longer time frame, definitely! Unfortunately, all I projects I currently work on are fairly short-term, which makes it difficult to prioritize reading books over "Getting Things Done".

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      michael_nielsen‏ @michael_nielsen 7 Jul 2018
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      Just coming across this conversation (as the author of http://neuralnetworksanddeeplearning.com ). @emilymbender's original question is of great interest to me. I've published two books the conventional way, as well as that book-length "web page".

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        2. michael_nielsen‏ @michael_nielsen 7 Jul 2018
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          The process was very similar in all cases, although the webpage has the benefit that I was able to make some pieces live and executable (very helpful in places).

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        3. michael_nielsen‏ @michael_nielsen 7 Jul 2018
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          The larger benefit was in reach. A very successful specialist text will be lucky to reach tens of thousands of readers. Optimistically, perhaps 10,000 will engage seriously with it. My online book has had 3 million readers from 229 countries.

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        4. michael_nielsen‏ @michael_nielsen 7 Jul 2018
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          Google Analytics suggest several hundred thousand have engaged moderately seriously with the book, and perhaps ~100,000 have used it extensively. In addition, Google Scholar picks up citations, even though self-published. It's hard to imagine going back to the conventional form.

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