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    1. michael_nielsen‏ @michael_nielsen 18 Jun 2018
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      AI ennui: a comment I’ve heard multiple times in private from tech people not working on AGI is “I’m not sure what I’m working on matters all that much… after all, AGI is going to take over anyway.” This is a mistake: even if you grant the premise, it’s like saying…

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      michael_nielsen‏ @michael_nielsen 18 Jun 2018
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      … “I’m not sure what I’m working on matters all that much… after all, the next generation of humans is going to take over anyway.”

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        2. Derek‏ @PereGrimmer 18 Jun 2018
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          Agreed. But that's also such a kooky belief. There's little reason to suspect we'll discover a magical master algo, and CNN's are awesome but limited in scope.

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        3. michael_nielsen‏ @michael_nielsen 18 Jun 2018
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          I hope you don’t mind, but I’d prefer not to discuss whether it’s kooky - that been discussed so many times before, in a thousand forums, and I doubt we’re likely to move anyone’s opinions on the subject here.

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        2. Geoffrey Irving‏ @geoffreyirving 18 Jun 2018
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          A more reasonable version of this is an argument to work on safety instead of capabilities: * Capabilities: shift the good future slightly closer to the present. * Safety: make the good future slightly more likely.

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        3. michael_nielsen‏ @michael_nielsen 18 Jun 2018
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          Nice variant. Another variant - which I’ve never heard people mention - is that it’s an argument in favour of working as a teacher, or on scaling/reforming education, or having kids.

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        2. Matt Guttman‏ @RealtimeAI 18 Jun 2018
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          So it’s really just the same old ennui? 🙃

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        3. michael_nielsen‏ @michael_nielsen 18 Jun 2018
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          Yes. Was reminded of it while reading some of the existentialists. It’s not quite the same, but related.

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        1. 1/(1 - 1/(1 - 1/(1 - Dan Piponi)))‏ @sigfpe 18 Jun 2018
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          The question is whether the AGI cites you in its publications

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        1. interstice‏ @an_interstice 18 Jun 2018
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          new generations of humans are substantially influenced by their predecessors, but it's not clear if that will be true of AGI (Think of AlphaZero teaching itself entirely via self-play, no need for insights of Go masters past)

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        1. Daniel Klotz‏ @ido87 18 Jun 2018
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          Mh.. maybe the belive is thag AGI will be smarter thant them while future humand wont.

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        1. Basil Halperin‏ @BasilHalperin 18 Jun 2018
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          ...but is that even wrong?

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