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    michael_nielsen‏ @michael_nielsen 17 Jun 2018
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    On the benefits of over-long books.pic.twitter.com/r49KDsyWst

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      2. David Deutsch‏ @DavidDeutschOxf 17 Jun 2018
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        Are books for memorising things? Aren't they already far better at that than their readers? Each (good) book has a purpose that isn't memorisation, and for each purpose there is a right length.

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      3. michael_nielsen‏ @michael_nielsen 17 Jun 2018
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        I agree. But it’s a false dichotomy to suppose that memory and understanding are completely different things. In many cases they’re closely related.

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      2. kristin eberth‏ @kristineberth 17 Jun 2018
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        Makes me wonder if it’s in fact unwise to put down repetitive books without finishing them, despite thinking that you’ve got the gist.

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      3. michael_nielsen‏ @michael_nielsen 17 Jun 2018
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        I used to notice this when I read the paper on which a book was based - I always remembered far more from the book. It was this observation that prompted my original tweet.

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      2. Nick Lutsko‏ @Nick_Lutsko 17 Jun 2018
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        I often find economics books overly long with lots of repetition (e.g Piketty, Gordon's Rise and Fall). It's never been clear to me if this is a style or if there's a deeper reason for it

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      3. michael_nielsen‏ @michael_nielsen 17 Jun 2018
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        For Gordon I suspect different people have very different standards for what it means to understand something. He wrote it to a quite exacting standard; many of his readers would have been satisfied with a much less exacting standard.

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      1. Ben Reinhardt‏ @Ben_Reinhardt 17 Jun 2018
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        There may also be a component of pattern recognition. Books often repeat principles through several case studies, letting you “experience” the pattern many ways.

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      1. Tristan Homsi‏ @homsiT 17 Jun 2018
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        Definitely true that long books serve as spaced repetition, but they're painfully inefficient at it. Reading a book all at once in a week/month (then never again, as most people do) is far from a good SR schedule. We can do much better!

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      2. Andrew Ruiz‏ @then_there_was 17 Jun 2018
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        The 48 Laws of Power is a pretty good example of a book that uses the long-form well. Readers can skip to each chapter to get the underlying principle and then, if they want, they can read the historical example that illustrates the principle.

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      3. Andrew Ruiz‏ @then_there_was 17 Jun 2018
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        Reading the entirety of the 48 Laws of Power really helped me remember each of the principles. Not explicitly. I couldn't tell you each of the laws by rote memorization. But I got a good feeling for how not to behave. I didn't get that same experience just by reading the laws.

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