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    mhoye‏ @mhoye 11 Aug 2016

    Twitter is deleting users posting Olympic clips within minutes. They have tools to deal with harassment, but they'll only protect brands.

    9:30 PM - 11 Aug 2016
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      2. mhoye‏ @mhoye 11 Aug 2016
        Replying to @mhoye

        Working there must feel great.

        1 reply 71 retweets 212 likes
      3. issa not here‏ @MsAfroCAN 12 Aug 2016
        Replying to @mhoye

        the hateful types will scream freee speeeech... That's what Twitter is scared of - losing users and being labelled leftist

        1 reply 1 retweet 0 likes
      4. End of conversation
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      2. Ninja Economics‏ @NinjaEconomics 12 Aug 2016
        Replying to @mhoye

        Are they deleting the user accounts or just the clips that violate copyright?

        2 replies 0 retweets 0 likes
      3. mhoye‏ @mhoye 12 Aug 2016
        Replying to @NinjaEconomics

        From the look of it they're deleting the tweets and locking out the account for some amount of time (hours, not days.)

        1 reply 1 retweet 2 likes
      4. Ninja Economics‏ @NinjaEconomics 12 Aug 2016
        Replying to @mhoye

        Yet I've reported multiple account for multiple violations of TOS (including copyright) and one month later, photos are still there.

        1 reply 3 retweets 9 likes
      5. mhoye‏ @mhoye 12 Aug 2016
        Replying to @NinjaEconomics

        Trying to get Twitter to do the right thing feels a lot like pushing a disgusting, greasy rock up a disgusting, greasy hill.

        2 replies 4 retweets 13 likes
      6. kragen‏ @kragen 12 Aug 2016
        Replying to @mhoye @NinjaEconomics

        We should build a decentralized alternative — we won't be able to exclude abusers, but at least it won't protect Ⓒ

        1 reply 0 retweets 2 likes
      7. Ninja Economics‏ @NinjaEconomics 12 Aug 2016
        Replying to @kragen @mhoye

        I like the idea of hiding tweets from brand new egg accounts if they get reported a lot. Keeps the sock puppets at bay.

        2 replies 0 retweets 2 likes
      8. mhoye‏ @mhoye 12 Aug 2016
        Replying to @NinjaEconomics @kragen

        It wouldn't take many options to make Twitter viable. Options to mute new accounts & share blocklists would go far.

        3 replies 2 retweets 3 likes
      9. mhoye‏ @mhoye 12 Aug 2016
        Replying to @mhoye @NinjaEconomics @kragen

        Disallowing non-follower retweets, a few other things. @randileeharper has thought & written about this a lot.

        2 replies 2 retweets 5 likes
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      2. Mike Beltzner‏ @beltzner 14 Aug 2016
        Replying to @mhoye

        not to quibble, nor to even really disagree, but you can algorithmically detect one with relative ease, but not the other.

        1 reply 1 retweet 0 likes
      3. mhoye‏ @mhoye 14 Aug 2016
        Replying to @beltzner

        Sure, but that relative ease is entirely because an existing investment of research and development.

        2 replies 1 retweet 1 like
      4. mhoye‏ @mhoye 14 Aug 2016
        Replying to @mhoye @beltzner

        A fraction of that effort put into ablating harassment would go a very long way (muting sockpuppet accounts & dogpiling, eg.)

        1 reply 0 retweets 0 likes
      5. Mike Beltzner‏ @beltzner 14 Aug 2016
        Replying to @mhoye

        as someone who works closely with Facebook's AI team, I can tell you that harassment is actually much harder & costlier to detect.

        1 reply 1 retweet 0 likes
      6. mhoye‏ @mhoye 14 Aug 2016
        Replying to @beltzner

        I would like to talk to you more about this, but Twitter is unusable for me right now. I'm completely snowed in.

        1 reply 0 retweets 1 like
      7. Mike Beltzner‏ @beltzner 14 Aug 2016
        Replying to @mhoye

        my main point is that there are tools and there is effort. One of the issues is more easily addressed by tools. Both require effort.

        0 replies 1 retweet 0 likes
      8. End of conversation
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      2. Chigbo Ikejiani‏ @DallanInvictus 12 Aug 2016
        Replying to @mhoye @ericdomond

        Indeed. On this evidence, if only every harasser did so via easily matched copyrighted video clips we would be all set!

        1 reply 1 retweet 6 likes
      3. mhoye‏ @mhoye 12 Aug 2016
        Replying to @DallanInvictus @ericdomond

        I laughed at your idea that automatching video clips is somehow much easier than plain text.

        1 reply 1 retweet 16 likes
      4. Chigbo Ikejiani‏ @DallanInvictus 12 Aug 2016
        Replying to @mhoye @ericdomond

        Dealing with harassment isn't a simple text matching problem, online harassment is about context as much as content.

        4 replies 3 retweets 11 likes
      5. mhoye‏ @mhoye 12 Aug 2016
        Replying to @DallanInvictus @ericdomond

        So are fair use rights, but you don't see them wringing their hands and saying "golly this is hard" over those.

        0 replies 3 retweets 17 likes
      6. End of conversation

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