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Community Manager, Developer Advocate, creator of @GetTogetherComm, BBQ snob. (he/him) Also on Mastodon: @mhall119@fosstodon.org Tweets are my own.

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    1. Christine Hall‏ @BrideOfLinux May 17
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      It happened again. Memory suddenly filled up, CPU goes crazy with all the writes to the swap file, I look through the twenty-some tabs I have open and sure enough...one of them is open to a @ZDNet page. Close the ZDNet tab, memory drops in half, CPU is resting comfortably.

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    2. Jos Poortvliet‏ @jospoortvliet May 20
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      Of course Linux could deal better with low memory situations... I find the whole OOM thing really nasty. Swap is to put low-prio stuff, if your entire system grinds to a halt for 30+ minutes (if you let it), the OS is fscking up. In no situation is that the thing you want...

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    3. Christine Hall‏ @BrideOfLinux May 20
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      Even after you close the offending application and free the memory up, it takes the OS forever to return to an operational state. I now keep a cpu/memory/swap measuring applet in my panel hoping to see a problem before it becomes a problem. Sometimes I hit; sometimes I miss.

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    4. Jos Poortvliet‏ @jospoortvliet May 20
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      Yup. To work around that, Android has a user-space OOM killer which kills BEFORE memory gets really tight. A proper solution would be a switch to let the OOM killer just kill the worst offending app when there is still 100mb free memory or so...

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    5. Jos Poortvliet‏ @jospoortvliet May 20
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      But apparently it is a hard problem. Part of the issue is that Linux is tuned for servers which want to eke out every kb of ram for work - killing when there's 100 MB free is such a waste (even if it'd keep the machine usable in case that 100MB actually DOES get used...)

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    6. Michael Hall  🏞️  🍂  🦃‏ @mhall119 May 20
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      Replying to @jospoortvliet @BrideOfLinux @ZDNet

      It's not a kernel issue. The Android app lifecycle requires that apps can be killed by the system, and has callbacks for killing and restoring an app process. This lets Android use an OOM killer without pissing off the user too much. Ubuntu phones had the same concept.

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    7. Michael Hall  🏞️  🍂  🦃‏ @mhall119 May 20
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      But Linux desktop toolkits and environments don't do this, and getting them to all agree is a major ask that falls more into the realm of the http://FreeDesktop.org  than the Linux Foundation

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    8. Christine Hall‏ @BrideOfLinux May 20
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      That's only because the Linux Foundation doesn't want it. Funny, the Linux Foundation can justify going into every previously uncharted area when that's its desire, but mention helping the desktop just a wee little bit and you hear that's not it's mandate.

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    9. Michael Hall  🏞️  🍂  🦃‏ @mhall119 May 20
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      Replying to @BrideOfLinux @jospoortvliet @ZDNet

      The LF doesn't initiate things like that. Typically a company brings something to the LF to start a new project. If RedHat or Canonical were to bring some desktop technology to the LF and fund a Desktop Linux project, I don't see any reason why the LF would reject it.

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      Michael Hall  🏞️  🍂  🦃‏ @mhall119 May 20
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      Replying to @mhall119 @BrideOfLinux and

      Saying "the Linux Foundation doesn't want it" is basically saying that they'll turn down free money. If somebody is willing to fund a Desktop Linux project under the LF, they'll take their management fee.

      1:31 PM - 20 May 2019
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        2. Christine Hall‏ @BrideOfLinux May 20
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          That's the problem. LF is a non-profit solely concerned with profit.

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        3. Michael Hall  🏞️  🍂  🦃‏ @mhall119 May 20
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          Replying to @BrideOfLinux @jospoortvliet @ZDNet

          They're not a charity, if that's what you mean

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