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    1. A. S.‏ @LoCtrl 24 Apr 2019
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      But I would argue that we *really* do not know the meaning of value, and sometimes economics has only served to confuse us. Biological meaning of value becomes revealed over centuries—no scientist works on those timeframes.

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    2. Cameron Harwick  🏛‏ @C_Harwick 24 Apr 2019
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      Replying to @LoCtrl @TriversRobert @LTF_01

      That's like saying "we *really* do not know how to speak English." Someone saying "that sentence is ungrammatical" (a subjective evaluation) is valid data for the linguist.

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    3. Cameron Harwick  🏛‏ @C_Harwick 24 Apr 2019
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      As for "the biological meaning of value", utility can't be reduced to fitness, as I argue here, for reasons of fitness. You can't explain human sociality – let alone social systems – without both concepts. https://cameronharwick.com/blog/inside-and-outside-perspectives-on-legitimacy/ …pic.twitter.com/YTyZTSlimZ

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    4. A. S.‏ @LoCtrl 24 Apr 2019
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      I agree that utility (as economics defines it) is not reducible to fitness -- which is why maximizing utility often leads on a wrong path. For an extreme example, imagine there is a virtual reality device that cuts you off from the world but provides maximum utility.

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    5. A. S.‏ @LoCtrl 24 Apr 2019
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      Relatedhttps://twitter.com/Locus_of_Ctrl/status/1121251076022263809 …

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      A. S. @LoCtrl
      The framework of utility maximization fails to consider one fundamental fact about human nature: to destroy a man, give him what he wants.
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    6. Cameron Harwick  🏛‏ @C_Harwick 24 Apr 2019
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      Replying to @LoCtrl @TriversRobert @LTF_01

      I'm not sure how this is a failure of the framework of utility maximization? Self-destructive behavior would be considered utility-maximizing.

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    7. A. S.‏ @LoCtrl 24 Apr 2019
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      It's a failure from a normative standpoint (one should not build frameworks that lead to such things, even if those frameworks are technically correct and mathematically elegant).

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    8. A. S.‏ @LoCtrl 24 Apr 2019
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      But it is also a failure from a broader philosophical standpoint. In retrospect, the man who is about to end his life because all his desires where satisfied probably does not value the things he used to value anymore. In which case -- where is utility?

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    9. very offline potat‏ @metapotat 24 Apr 2019
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      There are plenty of epicycles you can add to save utility theory, but let's not do that. Utility theory is a model. It's not a literal description of reality. But it's useful to the extent that humans act intentionally, especially for aggregate behavior.

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    10. A. S.‏ @LoCtrl 24 Apr 2019
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      It's a model with a serious grounding problem for the reason I just mentioned.

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      very offline potat‏ @metapotat 24 Apr 2019
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      *shrug* I could trot out the old box quote

      9:48 PM - 24 Apr 2019
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        2. very offline potat‏ @metapotat 24 Apr 2019
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          How is that a problem?

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