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    1. Meta-Nomad‏ @meta_nomad Jul 20

      Treading Carefully: As far as I can see the core problem of the U/Acc - R/Acc debate is unfortunately due to free floating definitions. With this said, let's define:

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    2. Meta-Nomad‏ @meta_nomad Jul 20

      L/Acc is quite simply the easiest to define. Accelerating and re-purposing technological innovation as a means towards Communism. In this sense L/Acc is synonymous with FALC.

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    3. Meta-Nomad‏ @meta_nomad Jul 20

      R/Acc (oh boy) then isn't necessarily the traditional inverse of the inherent 'Leftism' of L/Acc as much as the inverse of its process, of its Telos. That is, R/Acc is acceleration of capital...for capital's own sake, for its self-fulfillment, as a means of it becoming AI.

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      Meta-Nomad‏ @meta_nomad Jul 20

      Which brings us to U/Acc, most thoroughly extrapolated by Garton, is quite simply Acceleration without Conditions. So the problem here lies in the end. For many U/Accers are - literally - communists and thus believe the end goal of U/Acc is Communism - in-keeping with Marx.

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        2. Meta-Nomad‏ @meta_nomad Jul 20

          In this sense L/Acc and U/Acc are alike in the latter's subjective endgame. The confusion, I believe, is with the R and Rx (reaction). Many R/Accers understand that without conditions capital simply won't accelerate. That leaving unconditional humanity to be the -

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        3. Meta-Nomad‏ @meta_nomad Jul 20

          - bootloader for [Capital-as]-AI is a mistake. Our organisational skills fragment as IQs are shredded and we become complacent with the present. Capital doesn't seem to understand the general economy, humans need to help it understand and put conditions in place for it to -

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        4. Meta-Nomad‏ @meta_nomad Jul 20

          - fully utilize the finite resources we have. Otherwise capital will simply continue its runaway expansion without considering its fuels finitude. L/Acc is simply Marxism, and its becoming adheres to the same traditional constraints as before.

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        5. Meta-Nomad‏ @meta_nomad Jul 20

          U/Acc is undoubtedly going to become or, always already is, but without conditions or a divergent endgame it's allowing capital free-rein of resources which it won't use as well as it _could_ in terms of an end.

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        6. Meta-Nomad‏ @meta_nomad Jul 20

          R/Acc as capital becoming teleological super-AI cannot happen without conditions because the means of intellectual propulsion are being squandered on trinkets for dumb apes.

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        7. Meta-Nomad‏ @meta_nomad Jul 20

          This is why R and Rx are often mistaken for one another, because R often sees Rx as a means to stop and redirect the squandering of resources back towards capital's self-fulfillment.

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        8. Meta-Nomad‏ @meta_nomad Jul 20

          Z/Acc comes in as that which is the pessimistic form of the above - it is too fucking late - no amount of Rx could redirect the current appropriation of capital, doing so would be to try stop Cthulhu.

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        2. Max Castle‏ @realMaxCastle Jul 20
          Replying to @meta_nomad

          What you've set up here is a dialectic with u/acc as the emerging term. That you don't cash this out doesn't really matter.

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        3. Meta-Nomad‏ @meta_nomad Jul 20
          Replying to @realMaxCastle

          Emerging term? What would you like me to cash out?

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        4. Max Castle‏ @realMaxCastle Jul 20
          Replying to @meta_nomad

          Your definition of r/acc is what I would say u/acc is. This gets to what I think @cyborg_nomade says about u/acc being what was r/acc (did I get this right?). If u/acc are a bunch of commies then the development of strong AI is the best plan for a Marxist economy. (1 of 2)

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        5. Meta-Nomad‏ @meta_nomad Jul 20
          Replying to @realMaxCastle @cyborg_nomade

          Whilst it's fresh in my mind. You could say u/Acc is R/Acc without the conditions. But once you remove the conditions you're fundamentally opening up acceleration to hope on humanity's innovation efforts, not sure if you've looked at people lately?

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        6. Max Castle‏ @realMaxCastle Jul 20
          Replying to @meta_nomad @cyborg_nomade

          Not really sure how the conditions are not humanist.

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        7. Meta-Nomad‏ @meta_nomad Jul 20
          Replying to @realMaxCastle @cyborg_nomade

          The conditions - which would have to be Rx at this point - would be as humanist as it would be to bootload a runaway capital superAI that sees humans as atoms.

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        8. neural shroud‏ @neuralshroud Jul 20
          Replying to @meta_nomad @realMaxCastle @cyborg_nomade

          Isn't any condition at all a humanist endeavor? If there is a condition, it surely serves some human purpose, no?

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        9. Meta-Nomad‏ @meta_nomad Jul 20
          Replying to @neuralshroud @realMaxCastle @cyborg_nomade

          For a short time it would, sure. Is beginning the self-fulfillment of an AI that cares not for humanity a humanist endeavour?

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        2. Matthias Rhysling‏ @Rhys_ling Jul 20
          Replying to @meta_nomad

          I still have difficulty understanding the means by which L/Acc ends in communism. Much like modern communism, it seems to be missing a crucial set of realistic processes to achieve its end goal. If anything Acc. leads to some “otherness,” maybe beyond cap., but how communism?

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        3. Meta-Nomad‏ @meta_nomad Jul 20
          Replying to @Rhys_ling

          >I still have difficulty understanding the means by which L/Acc ends in communism Don't we all...

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        4. Matthias Rhysling‏ @Rhys_ling Jul 20
          Replying to @meta_nomad

          And while we’re on the topic, I have difficulty finding anything essentially “left” about Acc. in general. Any conceivable end game of acc. is right/technocratic/anarchic.

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        5. Meta-Nomad‏ @meta_nomad Jul 20
          Replying to @Rhys_ling

          http://criticallegalthinking.com/2013/05/14/accelerate-manifesto-for-an-accelerationist-politics/ …

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        6. Matthias Rhysling‏ @Rhys_ling Jul 22
          Replying to @meta_nomad

          beyond the alleged “gadgetry,” which pretty conveniently disregards “meaningful” tech progress made in the past 30 years. Regardless this is so far the most concrete set of ideals I’ve seen put forth for L/acc.

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        7. Matthias Rhysling‏ @Rhys_ling Jul 22
          Replying to @Rhys_ling @meta_nomad

          Though even here admits to a lack of concrete systems beyond the “how to achieve control” phase. This is in line with the baseless optimism of modern communists. It’s just another call to action without specifying any actionspic.twitter.com/dqucx2kkdn

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