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    1. Gretchen McCulloch‏Verified account @GretchenAMcC Apr 19
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      The reason we have special terminology like "imperative" rather than just calling them "commands" is that the imperative has a GRAMMATICAL meaning In English, an imperative: -uses the bare form of the verb ("be" not is/was/to be) -occurs without a subject

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    2. Gretchen McCulloch‏Verified account @GretchenAMcC Apr 19
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      That's it, that's all. If it's an English verb in the bare form (the form that would come after "to" but there's no "to") and with no subject, it's an imperative Doesn't matter how command-like or order-y or dictatorial or not the sentence is

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    3. Gretchen McCulloch‏Verified account @GretchenAMcC Apr 19
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      So, let's compare these two sentences: Go away! -"go" is bare form -no subject ✅ IMPERATIVE I command you to go away. -"command" looks identical to bare form -has a subject (I) -"go" not bare form (has "to") -has subject ambiguously (you) ❌ NEITHER IMPERATIVE

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    4. Gretchen McCulloch‏Verified account @GretchenAMcC Apr 19
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      But, you might say, wouldn't the subject of "go away" be "you"? Sure, maybe, but what we care about for our imperative diagnostic test is whether that subject is OVERT, that is, whether it's an actual word in the sentence

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    5. Gretchen McCulloch‏Verified account @GretchenAMcC Apr 19
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      So why am I making such a fuss about the imperative simply being the FORM of how a recipe is constructed in English? Couldn't I just say "recipe instructions are commands" and then the imperative would go without saying? Nope, because OTHER LANGUAGES

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    6. Gretchen McCulloch‏Verified account @GretchenAMcC Apr 19
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      So here we come to French, which is what started this thread: In French, we can spot the imperative by: -bare form (if tu, i.e. singular/informal you) or -ez form (if vous, i.e. plural/formal you) -doesn't have a subject

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    7. Gretchen McCulloch‏Verified account @GretchenAMcC Apr 19
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      (One of the nice things about learning technical diagnostics is that they sometimes work across languages. Imperatives, in particular, tend to be bare forms of verbs, and they're also v common in child-directed speech. Maybe not entirely a coincidence?)

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    8. Gretchen McCulloch‏Verified account @GretchenAMcC Apr 19
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      Some recipes in French do use the imperative! Look at all those verbs ending in -ez in this crepe recipe: Mélangez (mix) Incorporez (incorporate) Ajoutez (add) Laissez (let) (recipe source: https://odelices.ouest-france.fr/videos/comment-faire-une-pate-a-crepes-et-cuisson-des-crepes-technique-video-10812/ …)pic.twitter.com/VvphJCG4sT

       Mélangez la farine, le sucre et le sel. Faites un puits au centre et cassez-y les 3 oeufs entiers.
2. Incorporez peu à peu les oeufs avec un fouet. Puis ajoutez peu à peu le lait.
3. Ajoutez l’huile et l’arôme de fleur d’oranger.
4. Laissez reposer la pâte à crêpes 1 heure au réfrigérateur.
5. Faites cuire les crêpes dans une poêle graissée et garnissez-les de confiture, sucre ou pâte à tartiner.
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    9. Gretchen McCulloch‏Verified account @GretchenAMcC Apr 19
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      However, what is more common is for French recipes to use a different form of the verb. Let's look at another crepe recipe: Mélanger (to mix) Ajouter (to add) Faire (to do/make) Servir (to serve) (recipe source: https://www.recettes.qc.ca/recettes/recette/crepe-mince-137952 …)pic.twitter.com/l6XdnYBxGd

      ÉTAPE 1
Mélanger la farine, le sucre et le sel.

ÉTAPE 2
Ajouter les oeufs et le lait, puis mélanger avec un fouet.

ÉTAPE 3
Ajouter la vanille et le beurre fondu, puis mélanger le tout.

ÉTAPE 4
Faire cuire dans une poêle chaude avec un peu d'huile.

ÉTAPE 5
Servir avec du sirop d'érable.
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    10. Gretchen McCulloch‏Verified account @GretchenAMcC Apr 19
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      Is this recipe still giving instructions/directions? Yes, the FUNCTION of the verbs in both recipes is the same But the FORM of the verbs is different The second recipe uses the infinitive. In English terms, that would look like: To mix the flour and salt. To add the eggs.

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      rich lafferty, contributing factor‏ @mendel Apr 19
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      Huh, it reminds me of “Step one is <infinitive>” kind of instructions in English. Do you know what French instructions that aren’t recipes use?

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