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    1. Casey Liss ‏@caseyliss Jul 18

      Casey Liss Retweeted Daniel Jalkut

      I’m… not keen on the idea of final by default. Do not want. http://mjtsai.com/blog/2016/07/17/swift-classes-to-be-non-publicly-subclassable-by-default/ … I side with @danielpunkass:https://twitter.com/danielpunkass/status/754818323708317696 …

      Casey Liss added,

      Daniel Jalkut @danielpunkass
      "Not all classes make sense to subclass." It's absurd to imagine you can predict all valid subclassing patterns. http://mjtsai.com/blog/2016/07/17/swift-classes-to-be-non-publicly-subclassable-by-default/ …
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    2. Mike Barriault ‏@mbarriault Jul 18

      @caseyliss Is there a conveniently collected list of quotes arguing for externally final by default?

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    3. Casey Liss ‏@caseyliss Jul 18

      @mbarriault @mjtsai’s writeup is relatively even. The one I linked in my tweet.

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    4. Mike Barriault ‏@mbarriault Jul 18

      @caseyliss That's not even. That's almost entirely against, and ignores that it was the community consensus, not big boss Apple.

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    5. Michael Tsai ‏@mjtsai Jul 18

      @mbarriault I don’t see how you could read the discussion and think there was consensus.

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    6. Mike Barriault ‏@mbarriault Jul 18

      @mjtsai There must've been if they accepted the proposal. The whole process was based on consensus. I've now read the arguments against...

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    7. Michael Tsai ‏@mjtsai Jul 18

      @mbarriault Lattner acknowledged that there was *not* consensus among the community, so they were going with what the core team wanted.

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      Mike Barriault ‏@mbarriault Jul 18

      @mjtsai Fair enough, but furthering the fact that clear the for arguments must've been as well-formed as against. I just want to read them

      6:15 AM - 18 Jul 2016
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        1. Michael Tsai ‏@mjtsai Jul 18

          @mbarriault I think it’s a mistake to assume that the decision was based on the discussion.

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        2. Mike Barriault ‏@mbarriault Jul 18

          @mjtsai I'm just asking to see the other side of the discussion. I don't know why you're so intent on convincing me not to.

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        3. Michael Tsai ‏@mjtsai Jul 18

          @mbarriault I’m happy for you to read it. Not happy that you are assuming without reading that I was massively skewing the selection.

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        4. Mike Barriault ‏@mbarriault Jul 18

          @mjtsai I have read it. I'm reading it again, looking for a quote beyond the proposal authors that was actually for it.

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        5. Mike Barriault ‏@mbarriault Jul 18

          @mjtsai Every quote is either against or can't decide.

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        6. Mike Barriault ‏@mbarriault Jul 18

          @mjtsai If this was reflective of the full discussion, people would be more in arms about Lattner et al explicitly going against community

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        8. Michael Tsai ‏@mjtsai Jul 18

          @mbarriault I think people are not up in arms b/c this was long the expected result and impact is limited b/c only affects Swift classes.

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        9. Mike Barriault ‏@mbarriault Jul 18

          @mjtsai It does seem likely that, by the time Swift frameworks dominate, a Swift-ier solution will have presented itself.

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        1. Mike Barriault ‏@mbarriault Jul 18

          @mjtsai Someone's collected against nicely in one thread so I don't have to dig through the mailing list. Only looking for the opposite.

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        2. Michael Tsai ‏@mjtsai Jul 18

          @mbarriault That was me. I didn’t intend to only collect against. In fact, some are from +1 replies. And I include the proposal’s co-author.

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