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    1. Geoffrey Litt‏ @geoffreylitt 13 Sep 2019
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      Geoffrey Litt Retweeted Hillel

      Intrigued by this! as someone w/o much background in this area: Is deliberate practice actually in tension with Papert's ideas? Also, I wonder if constructionism helps build the motivational foundation to persist through the hard work of deliberate practice?https://twitter.com/hillelogram/status/1172519624778403843 …

      Geoffrey Litt added,

      Hillel @hillelogram
      The inventor of LOGO, Seymour Papert, studied under a psychologist who was obsessed with child exploration. If you explain to the kid, they learn slower, in his mind. This got ingrained in our programming psyche. This is ridiculous. Everywhere else, we do "deliberate practice".
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    2. Geoffrey Litt‏ @geoffreylitt 13 Sep 2019
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      When I was a kid, I wasn't disciplined about practicing cello... but I grew to really enjoy it 20 years later (wow I feel old) that enjoyment has driven me to keep it up, and now I'm more into deliberate practice techniques

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    3. Geoffrey Litt‏ @geoffreylitt 13 Sep 2019
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      Also reminds me of my interest in programming: Ruby on Rails and jQuery got me hooked because I could make cool things. Only later did I learn the fundamentals: SQL, Javascript, etc. Feels like a top-down approach: motivation first, technique second

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    4. Geoffrey Litt‏ @geoffreylitt 13 Sep 2019
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      Geoffrey Litt Retweeted Geoffrey Litt

      This helps me resolve the common debate: "Insisting on fundamentals is gatekeeping!" "No, fundamentals are valuable!" Yes, fundamentals are valuable, but you shouldn't have to learn fundamentals _before doing anything useful_https://twitter.com/geoffreylitt/status/986247725766332417 …

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      Geoffrey Litt @geoffreylitt
      Great point from @dhh at #RailsConf : when people insist on new devs learning “fundamentals” like SQL (or assembly) it often means “I feel threatened that you can build stuff without learning all the complexity I had to learn.”
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    5. Geoffrey Litt‏ @geoffreylitt 13 Sep 2019
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      My own best learning examples have come from precisely the opposite order Play around => get motivated => learn the fundamentals to level up

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    6. Max Krieger‏ @maxkriegers 14 Sep 2019
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      Replying to @geoffreylitt

      This is a great point, thanks for distilling this! It feels very bimodal, "fast and slow", "left brain right brain"... I tend to "grok" things too before actually reading the docs, similar to your jQuery example.

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    7. Max Krieger‏ @maxkriegers 14 Sep 2019
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      I think Seymour wanted to give people agency over their learning, to make them hungry for more. For better or worse, he gave few opinions on the day to day practice of education.

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      Max Krieger‏ @maxkriegers 14 Sep 2019
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      "Good pedagogy is a delicate dance, with instructors sometimes leading, sometimes following, all in the hope that the student will find her own beat so that she can go solo."https://www.chronicle.com/article/The-Looming-Gamification-of/233992 …

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