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So we got banned that raid and took off 17 days so we only got world 11th or something but we did it with 2 rogues and almost sat our second one for other reasons. It wasn’t required at all even world top 10

iirc even druids could solo soak on avatar everytime(maybe after a nerf?). dh/dk were good for it aswell.

I also think it’s a fallacy to say we didn’t need as x world yeah no shit because u can play the game. Meanwhile, FinalbossTV’s guild ate like 750 wipes on Argus mythic at 500 world. I’m not sure how that’s possible but at that point you should probably stack mages for chains.

Class stacking doesn’t help that because if the guild is that bad adding them playing alts will surely do as much harm as good most of the time

I’m just trying to say the difficulty of a boss can vary wildly depending on your comp and trash guilds can’t afford to go the long way around. You brought up KJ as an example. A 1k world guild trying to execute that fight without a (third) DK tank would be almost impossible.

Like of course perfect play and amazing dps can make up for a lot but if your guild takes 8 month to reach the end boss then they probably need to streamline their comp as much as possible to even dream of a kill.

honestly though? thats just wrong. Out of all phases the darkness phase was not a hard one, probably only 1st transition easier. I killed it in a 1day weekend raid without a dk, it truely is just luxury to have that massgrip there, there was nothing hard about that phase.

Wot I thought it made the transition a joke and literally non existent. What about 3 tanking Cenarius or the DK/link and 8 stacks aggy cheese. I thought that was ape when our raidleader asked us to reprog the fight 2 months into farm but it really eliminated any brain activity