To me this is like saying there’s no reason to think someone is athletic, just because they’re a professional athlete—the assumption I make is that there’s an unusual definition of the trait doing all the work.
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Replying to @matthews_bd @CoreyRobin
No? If they go to MIT and/or other hard technical schools I’d expect them to have better math aptitude than me. Any other Ivy League schools, I’d suspect them to be one of the rich kids who were funneled through private prep school complex.
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Replying to @hungar00 @CoreyRobin
Well, you’re incorrect in that case. Twin studies show minimal variation attributable to environment/parental SES once you’re above extreme poverty. The LSAT is very g-weighted, and not just on the math side.
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Replying to @matthews_bd @CoreyRobin
Wait, taking aside the contentious science on heritability, OSC has not taken the LSAT, so your point doesnt make sense. Not going to harvard law school is not comparable to not smart enough to ace in the LSAT
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Replying to @hungar00 @CoreyRobin
A randomly-selected person has 1/100 chance of being in the 99th percentile on the LSAT, but a Harvard Law grad has a ~99% chance of being in the 99th percentile. I’m not claiming OSC is definitely-not-smart, just that it’s a safe bet she’s not randomly incredibly smart.
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We can leave aside the contentious debate over whether genes explain around 40% of variation in IQ, or if the real number is closer to 80%. But we can certainly accept the settled science that genes have vastly more explanatory power than parental SES.
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Replying to @matthews_bd @CoreyRobin
1. That is a heritability score which is a score of variation in population not from individua, thats not how genetics works.
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Replying to @hungar00 @CoreyRobin
Reminder: I’m responding to a claim about *group averages*, not any one individual. The original statement was about OCS *as a bartender*, not as an individual.
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Replying to @matthews_bd @CoreyRobin
Exactly a group of “bartender” and a group of “harvard law students” are so different from each other that pullig out heritability score is the stupid thing ever. Bartender populations variation that using it as one heuristic for comparision is moot.
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Replying to @hungar00 @CoreyRobin
BD Matthews Retweeted jp
Please scroll up to the tweet where some guy mentions “rich kids” (ie parental SES) as an explanation for non-STEM academic success. I was responding to that guy when I cited heritability—not to Robin’s bartender comparison. Here’s the tweet I replied to:https://twitter.com/hungar00/status/1028289207339556866?s=21 …
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Again, my only question for Robin (who is not going to read this silly thread) is whether his friends would laugh at him if he claimed that HLS grads are, on average, no smarter than Rutgers grads and bartenders.
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I suppose my follow-up question is: how can we measure this, and how much money is he willing to bet, because I’m willing to bet a LOT against a guy who genuinely thinks that way.
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