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    Matthew Green‏ @matthew_d_green 17 Apr 2014

    Unfortunately, yanking the RSA key is going to make possible a horrible timing attack, which will be fun to exploit. http://freshbsd.org/commit/openbsd/e5136d69ece4682e6167c8f4a8122270236898bf …

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      2. Andreⓐ‏ @puellavulnerata 17 Apr 2014
        Replying to @matthew_d_green

        @matthew_d_green I.e., that the blinding factor won't have enough entropy to be safe?

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      3. Matthew Green‏ @matthew_d_green 17 Apr 2014
        Replying to @puellavulnerata

        @puellavulnerata Yup.

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      4. Andreⓐ‏ @puellavulnerata 17 Apr 2014
        Replying to @matthew_d_green

        @matthew_d_green ...and then using it *only for blinding* so no entropy derived from the key ever appears outside OpenSSL be safer?

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      5. Matthew Green‏ @matthew_d_green 17 Apr 2014
        Replying to @puellavulnerata

        @puellavulnerata Well it's not clear that no entropy from the key wouldn't appear outside of OpenSSL. Blinding (in theory) affects timings.

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      6. Matthew Green‏ @matthew_d_green 17 Apr 2014
        Replying to @matthew_d_green

        @puellavulnerata But more to the point, it's /probably/ safe to seed with a hash of the private key. But much safer to abort...

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      7. Matthew Green‏ @matthew_d_green 17 Apr 2014
        Replying to @matthew_d_green

        @puellavulnerata ...or switch to constant time decryption.

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      2. @eqe (Andy Isaacson)‏ @eqe 17 Apr 2014
        Replying to @matthew_d_green

        @matthew_d_green isn't the whole point "seed from urandom else hard fail"? The pool is *always* seeded, this is just deleting dead code.

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      3. Matthew Green‏ @matthew_d_green 17 Apr 2014
        Replying to @eqe

        @eqe Wasn't this the whole point of Mining Ps and Qs?

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      4. Matthew Green‏ @matthew_d_green 17 Apr 2014
        Replying to @matthew_d_green

        @eqe Truthfully I don't know. The code was added because someone thought it could happen. It was removed because someone feared it could.

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      5. @eqe (Andy Isaacson)‏ @eqe 17 Apr 2014
        Replying to @matthew_d_green

        @matthew_d_green obsd doesn't need workarounds for shitty kernels because theirs isn't (at least not like that). They *should* delete it.

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      2. Melissa  💫‏ @0xabad1dea 17 Apr 2014
        Replying to @matthew_d_green

        @matthew_d_green um, should someone maybe mention that to them?

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      3. Matthew Green‏ @matthew_d_green 17 Apr 2014
        Replying to @0xabad1dea

        @0xabad1dea Meh.

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      4. Melissa  💫‏ @0xabad1dea 17 Apr 2014
        Replying to @matthew_d_green

        @matthew_d_green casual semidisclosure is MY job!

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      5. Taiki‏ @Taiki__San 17 Apr 2014
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        @0xabad1dea @matthew_d_green 75% of those commits deserve a critical notification to OpenSSL :/

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      2. Wilson Bilkovich‏ @defiler 20 Apr 2014
        Replying to @matthew_d_green

        @matthew_d_green It seems to me it should have been replaced with an assert, if the idea is to fail hard when entropy isn't seeded.

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      3. Matthew Green‏ @matthew_d_green 20 Apr 2014
        Replying to @defiler

        @defiler I think the idea was not to fail hard. I don't know why they felt they needed to keep going. I assume they had some reason.

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      2. Renaud Allard‏ @renaudallard 18 Apr 2014
        Replying to @matthew_d_green

        @matthew_d_green GIven that the RSA key is static, wouldn't the timing attack be still possible even without the removal of that part?

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      3. Matthew Green‏ @matthew_d_green 18 Apr 2014
        Replying to @renaudallard

        @renaudallard It sucks yes, but private key + process ID + time (?) seems like it should make the attack impractical...

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      1. Bert “xistence” Regeer‏ @bertjwregeer 20 Apr 2014
        Replying to @matthew_d_green

        @matthew_d_green RAND_status() always returns 1 in the OpenBSD fork, this is removing dead code!

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      1. peter honeyman‏ @peterhoneyman 18 Apr 2014
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        @matthew_d_green omg

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