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    1. Mimetïc Value‏ @MimeticValue Jun 24

      I wonder how many atheists have read René Girard. Everything they have ever blamed on religion traces back to instances when the mob failed to recognize the innocence of the scapegoat. Nor do they understand culture as a process of sublimation.

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    2. Harrington‏ @iAmLikelyWrong Jun 24
      Replying to @MimeticValue

      Are there specific texts or talks by girard you would recommend?

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    3. Mimetïc Value‏ @MimeticValue Jun 24
      Replying to @iAmLikelyWrong

      Start with the two podcast episodes with Entitled Opinions: https://entitledopinions.stanford.edu/search/node/Girard … Then read - A Theater of Envy (https://amzn.to/2KlouTu ) - I See Satan Fall Like Lightning (https://amzn.to/2tpfrHp )

      4 replies 14 retweets 140 likes
    4. Assange, Clean your bathroom ➳ Yang Ventures ➳‏ @YangVentures Jun 25
      Replying to @MimeticValue @iAmLikelyWrong

      What do you think of this book review?https://www.goodreads.com/book/show/337517.Things_Hidden_Since_the_Foundation_of_the_World …

      1 reply 0 retweets 1 like
    5. Mimetïc Value‏ @MimeticValue Jun 25
      Replying to @YangVentures @iAmLikelyWrong

      Which review on the page? I simply got directed to the book page, not any specific review. Btw, DM me if this gets lost in notifications and I forget to reply.

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    6. Assange, Clean your bathroom ➳ Yang Ventures ➳‏ @YangVentures Jun 25
      Replying to @MimeticValue @iAmLikelyWrong

      https://www.goodreads.com/book/show/337517.Things_Hidden_Since_the_Foundation_of_the_World …pic.twitter.com/1rKGD3UNxk

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    7. Mimetïc Value‏ @MimeticValue Jun 25
      Replying to @YangVentures @iAmLikelyWrong

      Looks good. Not familiar with the Freud book though.

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      Juggernaut Nihilism‏ @martyrmade Sep 25
      Replying to @MimeticValue @YangVentures @iAmLikelyWrong

      One modification that must be made to Girard's theory (one he prob makes somewhere himself, tbh) is that it is not only mimetic desire of same object giving rise to rivalry that creates conflict, but also mimetic rage, hatred, victimization, and various other forms of "me too"

      9:13 AM - 25 Sep 2018
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        2. Mimetïc Value‏ @MimeticValue Sep 25
          Replying to @martyrmade @YangVentures @iAmLikelyWrong

          Girard has already discussed this. The rage, victimization, etc all trace back to a response to mimetic desire.

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        3. Harrington‏ @iAmLikelyWrong Sep 25
          Replying to @MimeticValue @martyrmade @YangVentures

          Re: "mimetic desire of same object giving rise to rivalry that creates conflict": I tend to think of causation flowing the opposite way. We are inherently rivalrous b/c status was so important to us evolutionarily. Status is zero-sum, so only gained at other's expense. 1/2

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        4. Harrington‏ @iAmLikelyWrong Sep 25
          Replying to @iAmLikelyWrong @MimeticValue and

          So we desire objects others desire to prove our higher relative status (if we attain scarce object, we are superior to them). The desire for the object flows from our inter-relational desire and almost just serves as a type of Schelling point. Does that make sense to you? 2/2

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        5. Mimetïc Value‏ @MimeticValue Sep 25
          Replying to @iAmLikelyWrong @martyrmade @YangVentures

          Desire is ontological. It's a seeking of Being. What is higher status other than an ontological desire to orient yourself towards your mimetic model?

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        6. Harrington‏ @iAmLikelyWrong Sep 26
          Replying to @MimeticValue @martyrmade @YangVentures

          I must admit, this went a bit over my head. And I want to make sure my understanding of mimetic desire, which is fairly rooted in evolutionary adaptation as of right now, is not missing something deeper. So what do you mean when you say desire is a "seeking of Being"?

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        7. Mimetïc Value‏ @MimeticValue Sep 26
          Replying to @iAmLikelyWrong @martyrmade @YangVentures

          This is perhaps more existentialist than Girard. Camus's question: Why are we not committing suicide? Joseph Campbell: What we really seek is the rapture of the experience of feeling alive. Also see Heidegger on "What is Metaphysics?" https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ontology 

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        8. Harrington‏ @iAmLikelyWrong Sep 26
          Replying to @MimeticValue @martyrmade @YangVentures

          Gotcha. Thanks! In your view, does mimetic desire somehow aid us in finding this feeling of rapture? I'm wondering how mimetic desire is connected to Camus' question and Campbell's answer above, if at all.

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