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    1. Francis Fukuyama‏Verified account @FukuyamaFrancis Sep 16

      The thread linking Iraq, Syria, Libya, Yemen, Afghanistan and Somalia is lack of an overarching sense of national identity. We do not want to go down that route:http://thehill.com/opinion/civil-rights/406096-us-joins-ranks-of-middle-east-with-fierce-identity-politics …

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      Juggernaut Nihilism‏ @martyrmade Sep 16
      Replying to @FukuyamaFrancis @JonHaidt

      Perpetual mass immigration ensures the impossibility of a stable identity. Even patriotic immigrants cannot be expected to care about George Washington. One day no one will. One day no one will care about FDR, JFK, or MLK. It's inevitable with a forever-rotating population.

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        2. Eric Leach‏ @flyineric Sep 17
          Replying to @martyrmade @FukuyamaFrancis @JonHaidt

          How do you balance that against demographic decline?

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        3. Juggernaut Nihilism‏ @martyrmade Sep 17
          Replying to @flyineric @FukuyamaFrancis @JonHaidt

          What do you mean?

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        4. Eric Leach‏ @flyineric Sep 17
          Replying to @martyrmade @FukuyamaFrancis @JonHaidt

          How do you balance the need for a stable population and therefore immigration with the need for a stable identity?

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        5. Juggernaut Nihilism‏ @martyrmade Sep 17
          Replying to @flyineric @FukuyamaFrancis @JonHaidt

          Can you think of any ways other than immigration that might help a country maintain a stable population?

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        6. Eric Leach‏ @flyineric Sep 17
          Replying to @martyrmade @FukuyamaFrancis @JonHaidt

          Higher birth rates but that’s proven to be difficult to carry out in the modern age. Check out @lymanstoneky for full data on this

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        7. Juggernaut Nihilism‏ @martyrmade Sep 17
          Replying to @flyineric @FukuyamaFrancis and

          I live in LA, so it's gonna be tough to sell me on the idea that society would collapse if the population dropped a bit. Shorter lines at Disneyland, less traffic on the 405, reasonable housing costs... Somehow, we would survive this nightmare!

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        8. Eric Leach‏ @flyineric Sep 17
          Replying to @martyrmade @FukuyamaFrancis and

          Haha, understood. However look at the problems Japan is facing to understand what can happen. The only reason the USA isn’t in the same spot is immigration. The US birth 1.76 births per woman

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        9. Juggernaut Nihilism‏ @martyrmade Sep 17
          Replying to @flyineric @FukuyamaFrancis and

          Is Japan really having problems, though? In 100 years, the world will have changed, technology will be unpredictably different, Japan will still be Japan, facing that world as Japan.

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        2. Bob Gardner‏ @RGardnerWV Sep 17
          Replying to @martyrmade @FukuyamaFrancis @JonHaidt

          I don’t see why patriotic immigrants couldn’t see the virtue in someone like George Washington, because his virtues transcend the ethnic identity of most nationalisms. Just need opportunity to educate. Other political dynamics make education towards seeing virtue difficult tho.

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        3. Bob Gardner‏ @RGardnerWV Sep 17
          Replying to @RGardnerWV @martyrmade and

          The biggest one I can think of being that our educators often don’t see virtue in the founders, so new populations have less conditioning to value this country’s national myths.

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        4. Juggernaut Nihilism‏ @martyrmade Sep 17
          Replying to @RGardnerWV @FukuyamaFrancis @JonHaidt

          Maybe our educators are merely adjusting to the needs and demands of the new population they're educating.

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        5. Juggernaut Nihilism‏ @martyrmade Sep 17
          Replying to @martyrmade @RGardnerWV and

          You're advocating for America as a religion, rather than as a nation. Check out Robert Bellah and others if you're interested in more (or Dr. Fukuyama's excellent new book, for that matter).

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