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    1. Will‏ @Evolving_Moloch Jun 24

      Will Retweeted Razib Khan

      I think there is an interesting definitional debate to be had about what constitutes 'human sacrifice' exactly. In a number of small-scale societies reputed witches or sorcerers were killed, in some cases it's claimed that it was done to appease angry 'spirits'.https://twitter.com/gnxp_posts/status/1011055102700896257 …

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      Razib Khan @gnxp_posts
      Most people have always thought human sacrifice was bad http://dlvr.it/QYP23x  pic.twitter.com/mVIScsrdKe
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    2. Will‏ @Evolving_Moloch Jun 24

      That's why I'm a bit skeptical of this idea https://www.theatlantic.com/health/archive/2018/02/did-human-sacrifice-help-people-form-complex-societies/554327/ … I think the results might be driven by defining 'human sacrifice' in such a way that it's mostly restricted to complex societies in the first place.

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    3. Will‏ @Evolving_Moloch Jun 24

      For example, here's the list of societies in their data set. They code the Iban people of Borneo as not practicing human sacrifice. But compare with the excerpts on the right describing their headhunting practices. Could certainly be argued that constitutes 'human sacrifice' IMO.pic.twitter.com/TOmq41bJkF

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    4. Will‏ @Evolving_Moloch Jun 24

      Here's example of human sacrifice among Ache hunter-gatherers of Paraguay, but practice is also tied to functional demands of mobility+food production. They often kill ill or deformed children, or those w/o fathers. Not sure if paper codes similar practices as 'human sacrifice'pic.twitter.com/oN69a99H3z

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    5. Will‏ @Evolving_Moloch Jun 24

      If you define human sacrifice as something like: 'killing individuals perceived as anti-social, unproductive, strange or criminal, with a religious, spiritual, or magical justification behind it' the practice has been widespread among even many putatively 'egalitarian' societies.

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    6. Mimetïc Value‏ @MimeticValue Jun 25
      Replying to @Evolving_Moloch

      Please respond @martyrmade. This is all stuff from episode 8-9. Sublimation of many impulses into rituals. The type of crisis doesn't matter, the resolution was a broad range of types of sacrifice. @BrunoPerennou @GirardForum @Ahimsa_Satya_

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    7. René Girard - Forum‏ @GirardForum Jun 25
      Replying to @MimeticValue @Evolving_Moloch and

      I try to be sometimes AFT : Away From Twitter 🙂 To me human sacrifice is human sacrifice : RELIGIOUS rituals. It can be taken as a metaphor for the scapegoat phenomenon. But witch-hunting, for example, is not strictly speaking human sacrifice but scapegoat phenomenon.

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      Juggernaut Nihilism‏ @martyrmade Jun 25
      Replying to @GirardForum @MimeticValue and

      Is it the formality that draws your distinction?

      8:29 AM - 25 Jun 2018
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        2. René Girard - Forum‏ @GirardForum Jun 25
          Replying to @martyrmade @MimeticValue and

          "The formality" ? It's a LOGIC distinction : scapegoating is spontaneous "all against one", human sacrifice is organized "all against one". Girard understood that scapegoating is the origin AND the structure (emotional release in violent "all against one") of human sacrifice.

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        3. Juggernaut Nihilism‏ @martyrmade Jun 25
          Replying to @GirardForum @MimeticValue and

          That's what I meant. So, sacrifice is the formalized repetition of scapegoat behavior, do I have that right? Do they serve the same purposes, psychologically and sociologically speaking? (ie, stave off panic, uniting a community in fear of dissolution, etc)

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        4. René Girard - Forum‏ @GirardForum Jun 25
          Replying to @martyrmade @MimeticValue and

          "So, sacrifice is the formalized repetition of scapegoat behavior, do I have that right?" Yes, exactly! "Do they serve the same purposes, psychologically and sociologically speaking?" Yes, but it's unconscious in both cases (some sacrificers think they feed a god for example).

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