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    1. Aimee Terese‏ @aimeeterese May 1

      “when you have no friends and are getting bullied + humiliated by women constantly & are told to both ‘man up’ and renounce your masculinity - it’s like the one bright light you see is this community.” @mandystadt’s essay is nuanced and insightful, bravo!https://www.thedailybeast.com/sympathy-for-the-incel …

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    2. we're going to abolish Sean McElwee‏ @martsendo May 1
      Replying to @aimeeterese @mandystadt

      One thing about "incel" is I think the idea of this being a community with an identity is new. One of the features of being male (for most) is a sex drive that is much much higher than access to sex. Evolution made us stupid this way.

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    3. we're going to abolish Sean McElwee‏ @martsendo May 1
      Replying to @martsendo @aimeeterese @mandystadt

      But taking on, "I would like sex, but I can't get it" as a personal identity is... strange. It would've been completely inconceivable fifty years ago. Sexual identities (of lots of stripes) are I think replacing our dissolved community-based identities. Incel is one of these.

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    4. we're going to abolish Sean McElwee‏ @martsendo May 1
      Replying to @martsendo @aimeeterese @mandystadt

      I think we gays are to blame for this reorganization, but communities were already being dissolved - people can move away, the loss of community hubs - and something had to step in to fill the void. It seems clear to me that what's replaced all this is sexuality-based identity.

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    5. we're going to abolish Sean McElwee‏ @martsendo May 1
      Replying to @martsendo @aimeeterese @mandystadt

      How many people are just now discovering what "incel" is and saying, "Oh, I see myself there, these are my people"? I don't think we should gloss past that as a natural response. It can only seem that way because of how identity/community has shifted in the past 30 years.

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    6. Aimee Terese‏ @aimeeterese May 1
      Replying to @martsendo @mandystadt

      Yeah l also think taking it as an exclusively sex oriented phenomena is a mistake. It’s massively about loneliness, alienation, atomisation. And as you suggest, broader structural, cultural, material changes have occurred making young men more vulnerable in very real ways.

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    7. we're going to abolish Sean McElwee‏ @martsendo May 1
      Replying to @aimeeterese @mandystadt

      Oh for sure it's also about loneliness. Communities exist to solve the loneliness problem. But the name they have taken on is "involuntarily celibate." Sex (or lack thereof) is the title card for community membership. That seems significant to me.

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    8. Kevin Stanley‏ @NurseBoyStanley May 1
      Replying to @martsendo @aimeeterese @mandystadt

      I think......I think the sex is secondary b/c of how the phenomenon mainfests. Take the example in the first article. The guy isn't a virgin. He's had sex, it just was an incredibly (seems to be) fucked up relationship & he was left scarred by the experience. It's the isolation.

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      we're going to abolish Sean McElwee‏ @martsendo May 1
      Replying to @NurseBoyStanley @aimeeterese @mandystadt

      If you go (against all wisdom) to an incel forum, I think the sexual aspect is much more pronounced there than in the article. I think there is an attitude that sex is the most important part of life, and that those who long for a sexual desire are owed satisfaction.

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        2. we're going to abolish Sean McElwee‏ @martsendo May 1
          Replying to @martsendo @NurseBoyStanley and

          Not to say the alienation is unimportant, but I don't think this is describable by alienation alone.

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        3. Kevin Stanley‏ @NurseBoyStanley May 1
          Replying to @martsendo @aimeeterese @mandystadt

          I keep going back to the acid attacks/ rape. That appears to be a power fantasy more than a sex one. And do they Foster community work to get groupons for flights to legal prostitution countries?

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        4. Kevin Stanley‏ @NurseBoyStanley May 1
          Replying to @NurseBoyStanley @martsendo and

          I'm asking b/c it would appear that a simple answer for 'not able to get sex" can be had. And if they feel entitled to sex without paying any money, then it's not about the sex at that point, it's status and power.

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        5. we're going to abolish Sean McElwee‏ @martsendo May 1
          Replying to @NurseBoyStanley @aimeeterese @mandystadt

          Oh for sure, it's about status and power. I suppose I tacitly assumed that was tied up in it but you're right to make that explicit.

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