Wouldn't the equivalent be "Al Qaeda, et al are obviously terrible, but we should listen to the anti-American grievances that make some ppl join these groups"
If you don't think the incel movement is even 1% in response to those conditions, and think it is 100% a manifestation of misogyny and power, that's a fair and good critique of this piece. But he's not saying incels and feminists want the same world
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He's saying they're trying to address the same problems in different ways & I don't think that's true. Qs about the desirability of women, disabled people, etc aren't exclusively about sex - they're about equal personhood, imo.
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The personhood of the kind of men Hanson has in mind is not in question. The problem for them is wanting sex, and again, a desire to control or manipulate others to their advantage.
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Douthat seems to be saying that Not Having Sex is a Problem and there's a left-wing, SJW approach to it and a right-wing approach to it, which is just not really what is going on here, to me.
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And we should keep in mind also that the subtext of this piece and his writing on sex in general is that whatever problems we have dealing with sexuality today are the inevitable result of departing from traditionally conservative norms that we might be better off going back to.
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I think we've come around to making a similar point haha. I agree that douthat's own personal position is probably that we should uplift celibacy from a religious perspective which is why i found it so wild that he admitted that would probably fail
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But again, I think the discussion as to whether the left and right are actually responding to the same conditions is a more interesting and nuanced discussion than much of the Twittersphere's initial reaction to the column which assumed that Douthat was proposing a redistribution
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Also 100% agree that incels' personhood is not actually at stake the way that it is for marginalized groups, but I think that many of them VIEW it that way, and so it's interesting to think about why and how they've adopted that rhetoric
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I really did not expect there to ever be a day where I was out here defending Ross Douthat on Twitter. I just think a lot of the reactions on this website have relied on a misreading of the piece.
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Obviously, this is in part Douthat's fault, who could have been much more clear. I think this critique is important:https://twitter.com/studentactivism/status/991759181081448449 …
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