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reporter @injusticewatch / reporting fellow @city_bureau / senior editor @southsideweekly. Addicted to the Taylor Swift discourse.

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    1. Josh You‏ @JustJoshinYou13 May 2
      Replying to @OsitaNwanevu

      Wouldn't the equivalent be "Al Qaeda, et al are obviously terrible, but we should listen to the anti-American grievances that make some ppl join these groups"

      3 replies 1 retweet 17 likes
    2. Osita Nwanevu‏ @OsitaNwanevu May 2
      Replying to @JustJoshinYou13

      There's a difference between saying we should try to understand the grievances behind anti-American sentiment in the Muslim world and saying that we should think about implementing the changes to American society that Al-Qaeda and ISIS want.

      3 replies 3 retweets 112 likes
    3. Mari Cohen‏ @maricohen95 May 2
      Replying to @OsitaNwanevu @JustJoshinYou13

      But where is Douthat saying that? He's describing and prophesizing but never proposes policy. obvs not usually one to defend nyt columns, but I found this better than some of douthat's stuff, maybe just because I liked the Srinivasan. Not sure this characterization is right.

      2 replies 0 retweets 5 likes
    4. Osita Nwanevu‏ @OsitaNwanevu May 2
      Replying to @maricohen95

      He seems to be saying in the first place that Hanson's writing on this is morally defensible if impractical - it plainly is not, imo - and that "redistribution" of the kind Hanson and incels have contemplated may be inevitable and sensical given the current state of sexual mores.pic.twitter.com/aIppoTFOPF

      2 replies 0 retweets 29 likes
    5. Osita Nwanevu‏ @OsitaNwanevu May 2
      Replying to @OsitaNwanevu @maricohen95

      Whether or not you believe this makes sense, I think it's incredibly strange and telling that this is something that can be said in the wake of a terrorist attack on the behalf of a group that agrees.

      1 reply 0 retweets 32 likes
    6. Osita Nwanevu‏ @OsitaNwanevu May 2
      Replying to @OsitaNwanevu @maricohen95

      I think also that he misrepresents left (?) advocacy for legalizing sex work. It's certainly not *for* people like Alek Minassian who, as I think many people have argued well, primarily want to control and possibly abuse women; sex is secondary.

      1 reply 0 retweets 44 likes
    7. Osita Nwanevu‏ @OsitaNwanevu May 2
      Replying to @OsitaNwanevu @maricohen95

      I haven't read Srinivasan's work although it seemed weird to me that he would frame her with Hanson as two sides of the same project when she's said explicitly that she doesn't believe in a "right" to be desired, which is what redistribution implies to me.

      1 reply 0 retweets 15 likes
    8. Osita Nwanevu‏ @OsitaNwanevu May 2
      Replying to @OsitaNwanevu @maricohen95

      It's obviously true that desire is bound up in harmful political and cultural hierarchies. At the same time, I think there's a fundamental difference between advocating for a more sexually pluralistic & diverse world and the kind of world incels seem to want.

      2 replies 1 retweet 26 likes
    9. Mari Cohen‏ @maricohen95 May 2
      Replying to @OsitaNwanevu

      I think you're right that he misrepresents sex worker advocacy. On the other points, I think you're right, but I think these problems are all acknowledged in the essay, even if you disagree with how he deals with them.pic.twitter.com/L2FvdOqA52

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    10. Mari Cohen‏ @maricohen95 May 2
      Replying to @maricohen95 @OsitaNwanevu

      I don't think there's any sign that Douthat is morally defending any positions here; I think he's describing positions on both sides of the political spectrum that seem to be in response to the same underlying conditions or questions (while acknowledging they're not equal).

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      Mari Cohen‏ @maricohen95 May 2
      Replying to @maricohen95 @OsitaNwanevu

      If you don't think the incel movement is even 1% in response to those conditions, and think it is 100% a manifestation of misogyny and power, that's a fair and good critique of this piece. But he's not saying incels and feminists want the same world

      1:09 PM - 2 May 2018
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        2. Osita Nwanevu‏ @OsitaNwanevu May 2
          Replying to @maricohen95

          He's saying they're trying to address the same problems in different ways & I don't think that's true. Qs about the desirability of women, disabled people, etc aren't exclusively about sex - they're about equal personhood, imo.

          2 replies 1 retweet 10 likes
        3. Osita Nwanevu‏ @OsitaNwanevu May 2
          Replying to @OsitaNwanevu @maricohen95

          The personhood of the kind of men Hanson has in mind is not in question. The problem for them is wanting sex, and again, a desire to control or manipulate others to their advantage.

          2 replies 0 retweets 7 likes
        4. Osita Nwanevu‏ @OsitaNwanevu May 2
          Replying to @OsitaNwanevu @maricohen95

          Douthat seems to be saying that Not Having Sex is a Problem and there's a left-wing, SJW approach to it and a right-wing approach to it, which is just not really what is going on here, to me.

          1 reply 0 retweets 9 likes
        5. Osita Nwanevu‏ @OsitaNwanevu May 2
          Replying to @OsitaNwanevu @maricohen95

          And we should keep in mind also that the subtext of this piece and his writing on sex in general is that whatever problems we have dealing with sexuality today are the inevitable result of departing from traditionally conservative norms that we might be better off going back to.

          1 reply 1 retweet 11 likes
        6. Mari Cohen‏ @maricohen95 May 3
          Replying to @OsitaNwanevu

          I think we've come around to making a similar point haha. I agree that douthat's own personal position is probably that we should uplift celibacy from a religious perspective which is why i found it so wild that he admitted that would probably fail

          1 reply 0 retweets 1 like
        7. Mari Cohen‏ @maricohen95 May 3
          Replying to @maricohen95 @OsitaNwanevu

          But again, I think the discussion as to whether the left and right are actually responding to the same conditions is a more interesting and nuanced discussion than much of the Twittersphere's initial reaction to the column which assumed that Douthat was proposing a redistribution

          1 reply 0 retweets 1 like
        8. Mari Cohen‏ @maricohen95 May 3
          Replying to @maricohen95 @OsitaNwanevu

          Also 100% agree that incels' personhood is not actually at stake the way that it is for marginalized groups, but I think that many of them VIEW it that way, and so it's interesting to think about why and how they've adopted that rhetoric

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        2. Mari Cohen‏ @maricohen95 May 2
          Replying to @maricohen95 @OsitaNwanevu

          I really did not expect there to ever be a day where I was out here defending Ross Douthat on Twitter. I just think a lot of the reactions on this website have relied on a misreading of the piece.

          1 reply 0 retweets 0 likes
        3. Mari Cohen‏ @maricohen95 May 2
          Replying to @maricohen95 @OsitaNwanevu

          Mari Cohen Retweeted Angus Johnston

          Obviously, this is in part Douthat's fault, who could have been much more clear. I think this critique is important:https://twitter.com/studentactivism/status/991759181081448449 …

          Mari Cohen added,

          Angus JohnstonVerified account @studentactivism
          I’ve now read it twice, and what leaps out for me is the absence of any acknowledgement that what is being contested here is, at least in part, the question of consent. https://twitter.com/douthatnyt/status/991739548269973504 …
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