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Programmer → tester → test consultant → agile consultant → programmer. Writing books these days: https://leanpub.com/outsidefp  and https://leanpub.com/lenses 

Champaign, IL, USA
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    Brian Marick‏ @marick 22 Apr 2018

    @gb_r @hdgarrood @KirinDave As I was riding my bike, I realized a big question I have is "What is PureScript *about*? What is its goal?" So I looked at the web page.pic.twitter.com/1nBQJkWDyB

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      2. Brian Marick‏ @marick 22 Apr 2018

        Let me show other similar pages. I'm afraid that you'll think my point is just about advertising, but it's not. Bear with me.pic.twitter.com/wbXNMP5mta

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      3. Brian Marick‏ @marick 22 Apr 2018

        pic.twitter.com/IUQrL5SM6u

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      4. Brian Marick‏ @marick 22 Apr 2018

        pic.twitter.com/Q0YaHFqM7H

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      5. Brian Marick‏ @marick 22 Apr 2018

        pic.twitter.com/tLAohgrlwm

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      6. Brian Marick‏ @marick 22 Apr 2018

        And one non-language one I was involved in.pic.twitter.com/XOXpQm8NT4

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      7. Brian Marick‏ @marick 22 Apr 2018

        Many of these *are* good advertising because they're focused on the buyer, not the product. "Does this matter to you? It matters to us!" But that's not all.

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      8. Brian Marick‏ @marick 22 Apr 2018

        I was involved in Ruby starting in 2001, with Clojure since I think 2011, well before they had catchy webpages. But even there, it was clear that the projects were *about* those things. That helps for at least two reasons.

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      9. Brian Marick‏ @marick 22 Apr 2018

        1. First, it provides focus (if focus is needed, as it wasn't in either the Ruby or Clojure cases). 2. The goal/purpose is something people -- contributors -- can rally around, can have a sense of mission. It attracts and builds community.

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      10. Brian Marick‏ @marick 22 Apr 2018

        I saw that really clearly in the Agile Manifesto case. After we wrote it, Ward Cunningham put it up on the web, but also had the clever idea of letting people sign it. It went viral.

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      11. Brian Marick‏ @marick 22 Apr 2018

        Not only did we then know we were onto something, all the signatories felt they were in on something together.

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      12. Brian Marick‏ @marick 22 Apr 2018

        So, if what's PureScript is about is clear to the core team, I suggest it be publicized (or, perhaps, modified). If not, the exercise of coming up with one might be useful. (Remembering Eisenhower's "The plan is nothing; the planning is everything.")

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      13. Brian Marick‏ @marick 22 Apr 2018

        Perhaps another way of putting it: when people start putting PureScript stickers on their laptops, what are they advertising they're a part of?

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      14. Brian Marick‏ @marick 22 Apr 2018

        See also https://www.deconstructconf.com/2017/evan-czaplicki-on-storytelling …, @czaplic's talk about designing the "what is this *about*?" for Elm. (Not for the result, but for the process.)

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      2. Phil Freeman‏ @paf31 22 Apr 2018
        Replying to @marick @gb_r and

        Look directly below to find the benefits. The fact that’s it’s JUST those things and nothing more opinionated is precisely what it’s about.

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      3. Brian Marick‏ @marick 23 Apr 2018
        Replying to @paf31 @gb_r and

        I suggest you add that second sentence. If I'd understood that at the start, it would have saved you the considerable annoyance I've caused.

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      4. Josh Burgess  🤔‏ @_joshburgess 1 May 2018
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        Am I missing something?pic.twitter.com/7wnBlAPlEz

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      5. Brian Marick‏ @marick 1 May 2018
        Replying to @_joshburgess @paf31 and

        I'm afraid you did. My whole thread (not just the first) was my attempt to explain it. I failed. Incommensurability? Bad writing? Bad person? Dunno. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Commensurability_(philosophy_of_science) …pic.twitter.com/0NYL6shxaN

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      6. Josh Burgess  🤔‏ @_joshburgess 1 May 2018
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        I read your thread. Just found it strange that you cropped out something quite comparable to the examples from other languages you listed... considering it's right there, immediately below the purposefully concise headline you took the screenshot of...

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      7. Brian Marick‏ @marick 1 May 2018
        Replying to @_joshburgess @paf31 and

        I snapshotted would would be a reader's first impressions. As I struggled to explain in a disastrous slack discussion, the others are not mainly bullet lists of features. They are statements of values, ones that have a material effect.

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