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    1. Adam Serwer 🍝‏Akun terverifikasi @AdamSerwer 26 Apr

      Robert E. Lee was a traitor, a brute and a slaver who wouldn't even trade black union soldiers taken prisoner for the lives of his own men because he saw black people as property to be owned.https://www.theatlantic.com/politics/archive/2017/06/the-myth-of-the-kindly-general-lee/529038/ …

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    2. Jim Handley‏ @JimHandley21 26 Apr
      Membalas @AdamSerwer

      You're talking about a different time. In that era States wanted a small federal Government and States to run themselves. Though slavery was an issue, this war has more to do with States Rights than anything else. Grant's own wife had slave servants, during the war.

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    3. Esther Inglis-Arkell‏ @EstherHyphen 26 Apr
      Membalas @JimHandley21 @AdamSerwer

      Nope. The southern states were all about Federal overreach when it came to violating other states' sovereignty by enforcing the Fugitive Slave Act or the Dred Scott decision. It was never about states' rights. What you're saying is a lie.

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    4. Margaret Burley  🐘‏ @BurleyMargaret 26 Apr
      Membalas @EstherHyphen @JimHandley21 @AdamSerwer

      I was taught that it was about “States rights“ in college 30 years ago. And I live in MA! I knew better at the time, but I couldn’t believe the professor was saying that. So some people are just mistaken because that’s what they were taught. And they never looked into it further.

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    5. The Airplane Nerd‏ @TheAirplaneNerd 26 Apr
      Membalas @BurleyMargaret @EstherHyphen dan

      It drives me up the wall when people say the war was about states’ rights and neglect to mention *which* states rights in particular were so important to the southern states that they were willing to fight a war over them. (It was slavery.)

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    6. Maria German‏ @marianp1968 26 Apr
      Membalas @TheAirplaneNerd @BurleyMargaret dan

      I don't get it either. We're not talking about speculation here. It's not oral or anecdotal history. They literally wrote it down - in official documents. And more than once.

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    7. Rystefn‏ @Rystefn 26 Apr
      Membalas @marianp1968 @TheAirplaneNerd dan

      Yes, the overwhelming reason for the secession was the impending spectre of abolition, but the union absolutely was NOT fighting about slavery, so saying the war was about slavery is an outright lie. The war was about denying the ability to secede.

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      Maria German‏ @marianp1968 26 Apr
      Membalas @Rystefn @TheAirplaneNerd dan

      OK. I wouldn't call it a lie, though. The reason they went to war was because they were not allowed to secede from the Union. Which still leaves slavery as the cause for wanting to secede in the first place.

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        2. Rystefn‏ @Rystefn 26 Apr
          Membalas @marianp1968 @TheAirplaneNerd dan

          But slavery was exactly zero percent of the reason the Union was fighting. So saying the war was about slavery is either a deliberate lie, or foundational ignorance.

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        3. The Airplane Nerd‏ @TheAirplaneNerd 26 Apr
          Membalas @Rystefn @marianp1968 dan

          I don’t want to speak for these guys, but they might disagree with that statement.pic.twitter.com/N5YfU94Wj3

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        4. Horcruxus‏ @drhudsonjvernon 26 Apr
          Membalas @TheAirplaneNerd @Rystefn dan

          Yea but,then the truth destroys their talking point. These R the same people that claim that "the enslaved were treated well". It's a waste of time 2have any form of conversation about facts with these types.

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        5. Jim Handley‏ @JimHandley21 27 Apr
          Membalas @drhudsonjvernon @TheAirplaneNerd dan

          Respectful dialog is always a good thing. I haven’t seen anyone speaking in favor of slavery or agreeing with it. To me this is more an historical debate and an interesting topic. I don’t care about Lee or statues.

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        6. The Airplane Nerd‏ @TheAirplaneNerd 27 Apr
          Membalas @JimHandley21 @drhudsonjvernon dan

          Agreed on the dialog point, but the history of the Civil War has a huge influence on how Americans view race relations today. And that touches issues like civil rights, reparations, institutionalized racism, monuments...tons of stuff.

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        7. Rystefn‏ @Rystefn 27 Apr
          Membalas @TheAirplaneNerd @JimHandley21 dan

          It does. And no one is served by half-truths and oversimplifications.

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        2. Mia‏ @NYCCittaMia 26 Apr
          Membalas @marianp1968 @Rystefn dan

          But it's a "Spin". It was all about slavery. They wrote it that way themselves. MS - "Our position is thoroughly identified with the institution of slavery-- the greatest material interest of the world."

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        3. Rystefn‏ @Rystefn 26 Apr
          Membalas @NYCCittaMia @marianp1968 dan

          If the war was all about slavery, why were there slave states in the Union? The Union was NOT fighting to end slavery. Claiming otherwise is a lie. Therefore, the war was not about slavery. The war was about whether or not states could choose to leave the union.

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        4. Mia‏ @NYCCittaMia 26 Apr
          Membalas @Rystefn @marianp1968 dan

          And yet most of those border states abolished slavery before the war was over. I mean, I hear you, I really do. But it's always semantics when someone says "the war wasn't about slavery".

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        5. Rystefn‏ @Rystefn 27 Apr
          Membalas @NYCCittaMia @marianp1968 dan

          No. This isn't semantics. It's pointing out that pretending it was entirely about slavery and painting the Union as fighting the war to stamp it out is no less revisionist and wrong than pretending that the Confederacy didn't try to leave about the slavery issue.

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        6. Mia‏ @NYCCittaMia 27 Apr
          Membalas @Rystefn @marianp1968 dan

          Ok, I concede it wasn't ONLY slavery. But is was a major contributing factor and a significant part of the cause of secession. :)

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        7. Rystefn‏ @Rystefn 27 Apr
          Membalas @NYCCittaMia @marianp1968 dan

          As I said before: The secession was certainly significantly about slavery. The war was about who had the right to control the land, people, and resources. Just like pretty much every war.

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        2. Yeah its Me‏ @SenatorDeMeza 27 Apr
          Membalas @marianp1968 @Rystefn dan

          Are you people that ignorant? Lincoln said in his inaugural address on March 4, 1861 that he had “NO CAUSE to interfere with the institution of slavery in the states where it exists” now if Lincoln said he wasn’t fucking with it, how did it cause a war? #itdidnt

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        3. Margaret Burley  🐘‏ @BurleyMargaret 27 Apr
          Membalas @SenatorDeMeza @marianp1968 dan

          Fort Sumter?

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        4. Yeah its Me‏ @SenatorDeMeza 21 j21 jam yang lalu
          Membalas @BurleyMargaret @marianp1968 dan

          What about fort Sumter? As a South Carolinian I am well versed in the history of my State. Lincoln was advised by his Generals and by his cabinet after multiple Peaceful attempts by South Carolina to allow the Union to leave FS that a resupply was an Act of War by the North.

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