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If it ain't broke, I'll fix it! I'm porting Linux to Apple Silicon Macs at @AsahiLinux. http://patreon.com/marcan  | http://github.com/sponsors/marcan 

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    1. Matthew Green‏ @matthew_d_green 17 May 2018
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      EFF’s big crime is advising users to temporarily disable PGP plugins for a few hours until the details were known. Blame them for that if you want but it’s a huge stretch to blame the researchers.pic.twitter.com/k2SOZVRoRr

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    2. Hector Martin‏ @marcan42 17 May 2018
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      If you're coordinating disclosure, you're supposed to *understand* the interactions between different bits of software, and encourage cross-vendor collaboration to make the impact known and figure out how mitigations are deployed and interact. The researchers totally botched this

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    3. Hector Martin‏ @marcan42 17 May 2018
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      The fact that *I* needed to go around asking some people for info and digging for commits and bugs and mailing list threads to figure out how the fuck this all works and that nobody else did so tells me this disclosure was a massive clusterfuck, and that's on the researchers.

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    4. Matthew Green‏ @matthew_d_green 17 May 2018
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      The researchers notified every single relevant project. What precisely are you asking them to do differently? They gave months of notice on a handful of bugs with a SIMPLE PATCH.

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    5. Hector Martin‏ @marcan42 17 May 2018
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      *Follow up* on that notice to actually find out what got patched where. Because when I asked *them* they still claimed Thunderbird was vulnerable (to the PGP issue, in context) which turned out to be total bullshit.

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    6. Matthew Green‏ @matthew_d_green 17 May 2018
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      Thunderbird kept their ticket private. I don’t think the researchers (and the CERT) were told the status.

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    7. Hector Martin‏ @marcan42 17 May 2018
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      So.... ask? Or, you know, just *try* the damn exploit on the current release (like I did) before coordinating a panic-inducing media reaction with the EFF?

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    8. Matthew Green‏ @matthew_d_green 17 May 2018
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      The panic inducing media reaction that led to the advice to “temporarily disable PGP clients”, some of which turned out to be still vulnerable (albeit on unlikely cipher choices)? Hardly seems a big deal. The pro-PGP community has invented an overreaction where none exists.

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    9. Matthew Green‏ @matthew_d_green 17 May 2018
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      Then they invented a disclosure problem where none existed.

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    10. Matthew Green‏ @matthew_d_green 17 May 2018
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      Literally every single early reaction by the community has turned out to be false or disingenuous. And now we’re literally scraping the ocean bed for new reasons to blame the researchers.

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      Hector Martin‏ @marcan42 17 May 2018
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      You're entitled to your opinion. I think the disclosure here was a shining example of how *not* to do things. We need a much higher bar than this. Lack of version numbers, pointless censorship of vendor names forbidding collaboration, no follow-up on patches whatsoever, etc

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        2. Hector Martin‏ @marcan42 17 May 2018
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          I mean, seriously, there isn't a simple table of affected vs fixed versions anywhere. The Efail website is basically "all these vendors are affected and maybe they'll fix it, maybe they won't, maybe they'll miss something, we dunno just be scared ¯\_(ツ)_/¯"

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        3. Matthew Green‏ @matthew_d_green 17 May 2018
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          Good. Being scared was the right reaction! If it meant people didn’t check their email for a day or so until Enigmail et al. got their disclosure/patch story straight!

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        1. Matthew Green‏ @matthew_d_green 17 May 2018
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          Neither of us know the exact details of the disclosure interaction. The difference is that you are laying it all on the researchers. So far the only public evidence we have is a catastrophic fuckup by Enigmail, which makes me skeptical about your hypothesis.

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