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If it ain't broke, I'll fix it! I'm porting Linux to Apple Silicon Macs at @AsahiLinux. http://patreon.com/marcan  | http://github.com/sponsors/marcan 

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    1. WinterMute ●‏ @davejmurphy 10 May 2018
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      It's not a comparison, it was a question. Is the "ultimate decision power" card *invariably* a bad card to play?

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    2. Hector Martin‏ @marcan42 10 May 2018
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      The "ultimate decision power" card is a card that when played against your community's stated process results in at best a mass exodus and fork, at worst a discouraged and failing community. Especially when you don't even *participate* in said community as a developer any more.

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    3. WinterMute ●‏ @davejmurphy 10 May 2018
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      Replying to @marcan42 @hedgeberg @new299

      A lone maintainer applied a change without consensus. What would you have him do in response?

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    4. Hector Martin‏ @marcan42 10 May 2018
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      Replying to @davejmurphy @hedgeberg @new299

      Stallman isn't saying "revert the change until we reach consensus". He's saying "I don't give a flying fuck about consensus, I make the final decisions here and the joke stays."

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    5. WinterMute ●‏ @davejmurphy 10 May 2018
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      Yet he didn't use the power he has to revert it himself ... Last sentence of your 2nd nugget reads "If you would like me to change it, it is up to you to convince me to change my decision." He's also not claiming to make *all* the final decisions ...

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    6. Hector Martin‏ @marcan42 10 May 2018
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      The point is that if the community is consensus-based he doesn't *get* to make overriding decisions, and yet he is doing so. Whether he actually reverts it himself is irrelevant; merely stating that it's his decision already stifles debate and takes over the consensus process.

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    7. WinterMute ●‏ @davejmurphy 10 May 2018
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      You think *everything* should be open to debate though? I think that sometimes someone has to make a decision for the greater good and this particular incident is being unfairly misrepresented.

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    8. WinterMute ●‏ @davejmurphy 10 May 2018
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      Ultimately this looks like someone tried to force through a change without seeking consensus & RMS put on his BFDL hat. Widespread reports have misrepresented the situation as RMS insisting an "abortion joke" remain in the manual ...

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    9. Hector Martin‏ @marcan42 10 May 2018
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      That is *exactly* what he is doing. Go read the threads again. At no point is he saying "I want consensus before this is removed". He is saying he doesn't want it removed. Period. It's a shitty joke, he put it in, he doesn't want it removed, and he doesn't care about consensus.

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    10. WinterMute ●‏ @davejmurphy 10 May 2018
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      I'm obviously not expressing my viewpoint clearly here. I don't believe it's an "abortion joke", I believe that people saying it is are deliberately misrepresenting it in order to deflect from their underhanded censorship.

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      Hector Martin‏ @marcan42 10 May 2018
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      And I'm saying it doesn't matter whether it's an "abortion joke", the point is it's a piece of text making a significant number of people uncomfortable that Stallman is nonetheless using his personal authority to override discussion about.

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        2. WinterMute ●‏ @davejmurphy 10 May 2018
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          And I'm saying that the underhanded way it was dealt with in the first place is the bigger issue. Having already overridden discussion by applying a change without consensus I don't think you get to criticise someone attempting to override discussion in response.

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        3. WinterMute ●‏ @davejmurphy 10 May 2018
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          And it has to be said that making a significant number of people uncomfortable isn't, in and of itself, a reason for unilateral censorship.

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