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If it ain't broke, I'll fix it! I'm porting Linux to Apple Silicon Macs at @AsahiLinux. http://patreon.com/marcan  | http://github.com/sponsors/marcan 

Tokyo, Japan
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    1. comex‏ @comex 10 May 2018
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      So Twitch has a new “low latency” mode. Except by low latency they mean 2-3 seconds, whereas before it was more like 10 seconds. And for some reason they’re still using HLS. Meanwhile, Mixer has been sub-second for a long time… which is still an order of magnitude over ideal.

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    2. Ridley @ a safe distance‏ @11rcombs 10 May 2018
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      there is no cross-browser-compatible streaming protocol that supports loading less than a GoP of latency

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    3. comex‏ @comex 10 May 2018
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      What is GoP? And doesn’t MSE allow for low-latency streaming?

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    4. Ridley @ a safe distance‏ @11rcombs 10 May 2018
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      group of pictures; the span between two keyframes MSE requires you to pass the browser an entire MP4 segment at once; theoretically those are allowed to start on non-keyframes, but in practice browsers flip a shit if they don't

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    5. comex‏ @comex 10 May 2018
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      Hmm, Interesting. Basically this issue? https://bugzilla.mozilla.org/show_bug.cgi?id=1290840 … …oh, wait, what about WebRTC?

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    6. Ridley @ a safe distance‏ @11rcombs 10 May 2018
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      that gets you around it in theory, but it's not ubiquitous in browsers yet (especially mobile), doesn't work on all networks, and adds a large amount of server-side complexity

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    7. Hector Martin‏ @marcan42 10 May 2018
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      WebRTC works in practice, but is very heavy server-side. We use it for audio (<70ms latency end to end) but it's a lost cause for video with our infra.

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      Why is it heavy? Is it an issue with the server software or something more fundamental?

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    9. Hector Martin‏ @marcan42 10 May 2018
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      It's basically mandatory DTLS, which requires negotiating a 1:1 stream with each client, so multicast doesn't work. The server-side software stacks are a lot less mature than the HTTP ecosystem. It's possible but not nice.

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      Sorry, DTLS for data, SRTP for media, but the key exchange is over DTLS either way.

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