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If it ain't broke, I'll fix it! I'm porting Linux to Apple Silicon Macs at @AsahiLinux. http://patreon.com/marcan  | http://github.com/sponsors/marcan 

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    1. SwiftOnSecurity‏ @SwiftOnSecurity 13 Jan 2018
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      Q: Considering the success of pentests and attackers at horizontal/vertical movement on unsegmented networks once they have code execution, is Meltdown/Spectre an expectional, new category of risk to most orgs? How would cross-VM disclosure/privesc suddenly be required to win?

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    2. SwiftOnSecurity‏ @SwiftOnSecurity 13 Jan 2018
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      We have companies getting owned because they have the same admin password on every box, how is Meltdown/Spectre really an existential problem to companies that aren’t the elite at defense already? I understand the urgent crazy danger in Cloud, but not 99% of On-Premises.

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    3. SwiftOnSecurity‏ @SwiftOnSecurity 13 Jan 2018
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      I’m in NO WAY downplaying how important these issues are. But I don’t see them as out-of-band patching scenarios. I haven’t deployed the January patch in WSUS and I don’t plan any urgent BIOS updates. It’s still a mess.

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    4. One Matt among many‏ @0xMatt 13 Jan 2018
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      Replying to @SwiftOnSecurity

      Spectre (esp v1) is most useful for untargeted watering hole style attacks, very often used by nation states. That one is a big danger. Meltdown (v3) is a privilege escalator, the sort of which we will see get found twice a year at minimum.

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    5. Hector Martin‏ @marcan42 13 Jan 2018
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      Meltdown is worse than your average privesc because it lets you tunnel right through the mitigation stack, though. Sandboxing, process separation, ASLR, it all disappears. You get physical memory reads from any random Javascript running in a browser.

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    6. One Matt among many‏ @0xMatt 13 Jan 2018
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      Like I said earlier, this privesc is "more" than the usual because of the reduced number of steps it takes compared to our normal understanding of privilege escalation. That said, I'm not aware of any Meltdown-in-browser. Variant 1 (Spectre) is the browser risk.

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      Hector Martin‏ @marcan42 13 Jan 2018
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      There's no *public PoC* for Meltdown-in-browser but it's obviously possible. The exploit code is identical to Spectre-variant1. The only difference is you bounds-bypass all the way to kernel-space. That's it. Browsers have acknowledged the risk.

      11:45 AM - 13 Jan 2018
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        1. One Matt among many‏ @0xMatt 13 Jan 2018
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          I think we might not be disagreeing here. :)

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