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Hector Martin
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Hector Martin

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If it ain't broke, I'll fix it! I'm porting Linux to Apple Silicon Macs at @AsahiLinux. http://patreon.com/marcan  | http://github.com/sponsors/marcan 

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    Hector Martin‏ @marcan42 4 Jan 2018
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    Apple, Nvidia, Qualcomm, Marvell, and Cavium all make custom ARM cores and none of them have any info on whether their cores are affected by Spectre/Meltdown and available mitigations. Don't forget about non-Cortex cores!

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      2. Myria‏ @Myriachan 4 Jan 2018
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        It would be cute to use Meltdown to read the MAC keys used to protect the Switch kernel from GPU DMA attacks.

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      3. Hector Martin‏ @marcan42 4 Jan 2018
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        It would, but given the speed at which Switch hacking has been moving recently... I think that won't be necessary.

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      1. Hector Martin‏ @marcan42 4 Jan 2018
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        That is about OS-level mitigations. It says exactly nothing about specific CPU microarchitectures and how they're affected. I bet Apple's cores are affected by the misprediction issue, and you can't patch that one at the OS level.

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      2. ⌘‏ @astric87 4 Jan 2018
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        Apple have stated that their devices are affected

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      3. Hector Martin‏ @marcan42 4 Jan 2018
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        But have given zero details as to what CPU microarchitectures and what bugs specifically.

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      2. klondike‏ @klon 4 Jan 2018
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        Some higher end MIPS processors are also likely to be affected but nobody said anything about that either ;) Example: https://www.mips.com/products/warrior/p-class-p6600-multiprocessor-core/ …

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      3. Hector Martin‏ @marcan42 4 Jan 2018
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        Yes, I'm not even considering other arches yet.

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      2. Adi‏ @adisor19 4 Jan 2018
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        At this point in time, let’s just assume that anything using OOO = pwned. Anything not using OOO like Apple watch = not pwned.

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      3. Hector Martin‏ @marcan42 4 Jan 2018
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        For the basic misprediction attack, yes, assuming anything OOO is pwned is a pretty safe assumpion. But whether branch target injection and cross-privilege reads work or not is a very important question for OOO cores. Those aren't a given.

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      2. Ridley @ a safe distance‏ @11rcombs 4 Jan 2018
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        Apple implied that iOS and tvOS were affected by Meltdown(!?), but not watchOS???

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      3. Hector Martin‏ @marcan42 4 Jan 2018
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        Their article is so light on detail it's completely meaningless. They need to actually list CPU cores and specific vulns. Some A* CPUs just use Cortex cores.

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