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Hector Martin
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If it ain't broke, I'll fix it! I'm porting Linux to Apple Silicon Macs at @AsahiLinux. http://patreon.com/marcan  | http://github.com/sponsors/marcan 

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    1. Hector Martin‏ @marcan42 3 Jan 2018
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      On first glance it looks like many CPUs are vulnerable to same-privilege mis-speculation leaks (e.g. in JIT engines - disable eBPF jit if you have it enabled), but Intel has the real SNAFU in letting it leak across privilege modes.

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    2. Hector Martin‏ @marcan42 3 Jan 2018
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      Then there's the branch target misprediction attack; it seems to rely a lot on the details of Intel branch prediction, but it's unclear whether other CPUs are affected by variants of it. Maybe this is patchable in microcode?

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    3. Taiki‏ @Taiki__San 3 Jan 2018
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      Considering branch prediction & speculative loading is very likely on the hot path, I don’t think it’s implemented in microcode :/

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    4. Hector Martin‏ @marcan42 3 Jan 2018
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      But if the problem is branch predictor injection, they can just flush branch predictor state on kernel/userspace transitions. That likely wouldn't have a massive performance impact.

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    5. Taiki‏ @Taiki__San 3 Jan 2018
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      I may be wrong but I don’t think there is any mechanism in place to do that. And even then by the time the context switch is actually executed, you may already have speculatively executed further instructions

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    6. Hector Martin‏ @marcan42 3 Jan 2018
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      There is no *user-accessible* architecturally defined mechanism for that that I'm aware of, but it's entirely possible they have a way of doing it in microcode. "Flush/disable/whatever the BTB" sounds like the kind of chicken bit they'd have. Hence microcode fix.

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    7. Taiki‏ @Taiki__San 3 Jan 2018
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      I can’t think of a μcode fix besides “flush any cache line touched by an incorrect prediction IF it wasn’t there before” and I highly doubt the μcode has enough memory to keep track of all that in something in the hot path

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    8. Hector Martin‏ @marcan42 3 Jan 2018
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      I'm not talking about Meltdown, I'm talking about Spectre. Meltdown is mitigated by KPTI (with perf impact) on Intel. I speculate Spectre may be mitigatable in microcode.

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    9. Taiki‏ @Taiki__San 3 Jan 2018
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      oh, sorry then. Haven’t read about the details of spectre yet ^^’

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      Hector Martin‏ @marcan42 3 Jan 2018
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      It seems it also works between processes, but that should also be mitigated by kernel entry/exit on process switches flushing the BTB. Remaining issue then is hyperthreading... a complete fix might require turning that off.

      3:38 PM - 3 Jan 2018
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