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If it ain't broke, I'll fix it! I'm porting Linux to Apple Silicon Macs at @AsahiLinux. http://patreon.com/marcan  | http://github.com/sponsors/marcan 

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    1. Hector Martin‏ @marcan42 19 Dec 2017
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      Last year it was no lasers, this year it's also no soldering. This is how hacker cons die. #34c3pic.twitter.com/n8Ep3BQ6Px

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    2. datenwolf - flausching the curve‏ @datenwolf 20 Dec 2017
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      On the topic of laser safety. If I see anyone messing around with a powerful laser (class 3 upward) without taking the neccessary precautions I *will* put @c3cert on it. Please leave your oversized laser "pointers" at home (feel free to threaten your own eyes).

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    3. Hector Martin‏ @marcan42 20 Dec 2017
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      Last year they made me take down my interlocked RGB projector which was located at well above eye level and pointed at a wall, so I definitely won't be bringing it this year.

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    4. C3 CERT‏ @c3cert 20 Dec 2017
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      That is no point, CERT would have been involved. Only if fire safety is directly concerned, we get in contact with you. I don't know whoever let you take it down and why.

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    5. Hector Martin‏ @marcan42 20 Dec 2017
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      Some angel asked for official German legal paperwork regarding the laser, which I obviously didn't have, and said I needed to take it down if I didn't have it.

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    6. C3 CERT‏ @c3cert 20 Dec 2017
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      That has not been a CERTling. "some angel"s behaviour I cant't explain or justify. Maybe you want to talk to PL / Orga.

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    7. Hector Martin‏ @marcan42 21 Dec 2017
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      Seems the person who requested the takedown was HonkHase.

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    8. datenwolf - flausching the curve‏ @datenwolf 21 Dec 2017
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      If HonkHase says it's a problem, it's probably a problem. The guys it usually pretty chill and only takes out the ban-hammer if it could really create some trouble (which includes legal). But: You don't mess with HonkHase.

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    9. Hector Martin‏ @marcan42 21 Dec 2017
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      It wasn't a problem every year prior, then suddenly all lasers disappeared on day 1 of 33c3. Whatever the problem was, it had nothing to do with individual lasers and everything to do with some kind of general decision, legal or otherwise.

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    10. datenwolf - flausching the curve‏ @datenwolf 21 Dec 2017
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      Huh, actually on the 33c3 in the upper levels of the CCH there were a few high powered lasers, with a static beam configuration, also leaving the premises, which made me kind of nervous. If you can see a red laser beam without fog it's certainly beyond class-3a

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      Hector Martin‏ @marcan42 21 Dec 2017
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      Laser classes are useless. The danger posed by a laser is way more complicated than what class it is. Any useful scanner is going to be Class 4 (mine is), but there's a huge difference between a laser pointer (static beam) and a scanner at a minimum distance.

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        2. Hector Martin‏ @marcan42 21 Dec 2017
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          For example, a scanner projecting a 1m diameter circle (quite a simple pattern) will only deliver about 1/400th the energy to a human eye that the same laser running CW as a static beam would. It goes lower with more complex patterns and wider beams and larger projection widths.

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        3. Hector Martin‏ @marcan42 21 Dec 2017
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          I'm very happy to use my projector taking basic security precautions (point it at a wall, keep people away from the area between it and the wall), but I also own (not by choice) a 1W pointer and I don't dare turn it on without wearing goggles, because that thing is *nasty*.

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        2. datenwolf - flausching the curve‏ @datenwolf 22 Dec 2017
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          Laser classes are to give a quick impression of how to (not) look at it (pun intended). Class-1: Could be a friggin death-star inside, but everything is safely contained within the device. Class-2: Laser leaves the device but is eye safe even on direct exposure.

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        3. Hector Martin‏ @marcan42 22 Dec 2017
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          Yes, Class 1 and 2 are useful for consumer devices, but the class system is basically useless for devices *intended* to emit laser beams beyond a 1mW laser pointer.

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        2. datenwolf - flausching the curve‏ @datenwolf 22 Dec 2017
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          Class-3: Will cause eye damage. Class-4: Will set shit on fire. There are also subclasses. Most important for laser projectors: 3a vs 3b vs 3c. 3a is: Eye damage on direct exposure. 3b: Scattering off polished surfaces cause damage. 3c: Scattering off dull surfaces cause damage.

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        3. Hector Martin‏ @marcan42 22 Dec 2017
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          Class 3 and 4 and their subclasses are all but useless. The actual result depends way too much on the specific circumstances. Obviously my class 4 laser projector neither sets shit on fire nor is harmful when scattered off a dull surface.

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        1. datenwolf - flausching the curve‏ @datenwolf 22 Dec 2017
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          Then there's the topic of scanned vs. non-scanned. And unfortunately there's only very little research happening on that. Some of which is done at a institute which is kind of next door to my lab.

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        2. datenwolf - flausching the curve‏ @datenwolf 22 Dec 2017
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          Here's the thing: In the research we do at our group, we deliberately deliver a focused laser beam into a subjects eye (usually ourself), to create volumetric images. We are using scanning spots, but we don't take that as a reason to go over class 2a; we keep it safe for static.

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        3. Hector Martin‏ @marcan42 22 Dec 2017
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          Well duh. Class 2a is already ridiculously bright when aimed into an eye directly. If you're focusing all the energy directly into someone's pupil, of course you don't need to go to dangerous energy levels. There is an enormous loss in diffuse scattering that you bypass.

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