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Hector Martin
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Hector Martin

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If it ain't broke, I'll fix it! I'm porting Linux to Apple Silicon Macs at @AsahiLinux. http://patreon.com/marcan  | http://github.com/sponsors/marcan 

Tokyo, Japan
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    1. Hector Martin‏ @marcan42 17 Oct 2017
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      There is a significant moral difference between withholding access to software and withholding vuln info, esp. for something this widespread

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    2. zofrex‏ @zofrex 17 Oct 2017
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      Why? Withholding vuln info is no different practically to not discovering the vuln at all. And you can't compel people to discover!

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    3. Hector Martin‏ @marcan42 17 Oct 2017
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      It's an effort/reward issue. Disclosing early doesn't cost you anything extra but helps everyone. What was the point of it?

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    4. Hector Martin‏ @marcan42 17 Oct 2017
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      You can't compel people to discover but you can damn well ask them to be reasonable once they do.

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    5. Hector Martin‏ @marcan42 17 Oct 2017
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      Discovery takes lots of effort. Disclosure takes some effort. Timely disclosure when you're already writing a paper takes negligible effort.

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    6. zofrex‏ @zofrex 17 Oct 2017
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      There's quite a large effort gap between "I think I've found something" and confirming, refining, ready to report

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    7. zofrex‏ @zofrex 17 Oct 2017
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      Jumping the gun and being wrong has high costs to reputation and could be scare-mongering

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    8. zofrex‏ @zofrex 17 Oct 2017
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      I can only speak for myself on this part but the two bugs I'm working on: discovery was < 10% of effort. Confirmation & writeup most work!

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    9. Hector Martin‏ @marcan42 17 Oct 2017
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      But I'm sure writing a paper about it first wasn't just 10% of the effort either.

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    10. zofrex‏ @zofrex 17 Oct 2017
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      I wonder how much effort coordinating vendors was

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      Hector Martin‏ @marcan42 17 Oct 2017
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      Waiting two months before starting took zero effort. Also he handed off most of the work to CERT after the first few.

      4:54 AM - 17 Oct 2017
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        1. zofrex‏ @zofrex 17 Oct 2017
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          Maybe he had some other shit to do. We have lives too you know. Right now I'm "sitting on" a vulnerability because I'm on vacation!

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        2. zofrex‏ @zofrex 17 Oct 2017
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          Maybe that time was spent on another vuln. Or shit that needed doing. Or taking a break because people like you make this stressful & tiring

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